Rebalance Sea Already

Sea is unbalanced as hell is hot. Could we work on this so that sea gameplay actually sees some light instead of being shunned for its unbalancedness?

-- Examples --
* Ships vs amph: Amph only has a few choices to counter hunters: ducks (too slow and can be kited), Scallop (way too slow and can be kited and killed easily for cost (JUST ONE can kill about 4 of your scallops), and Bouy (cannot move and if I recall right can be outranged). Archers do lolnone damage. Also note: Hunter has splash. So you either zerg rush the ship player and hope he doesnt have a hunter or torp launcher / torp launcher com or you might as well give up attacking near the ships player or pray you don't run into hunters. You're next to useless against the ships player with hunters.

* Ducks when they get sea: Uncounterable? Scallops cannot counter ducks for cost. One scallop will be pwned by just 2 ducks.

* Ships vs hovers: Corvettes rape you. The only counter to this is scapels (as far as I am aware) and pene sniping.

* Hovers vs Amphs: Only interaction is Buoys, Archers, and Grizzlies. Even this is up to the amph player if he wants to or not. Can just remain underwater indefinetely. Hovers can't shoot underwater and any nanoframes they put down can be instakilled by ducks.

I don't know if its just me but I can't seem to counter ships without being ships. I'd love to tho, see the day that all options at sea (hovers/amphs/ships) are viable instead of ships or lolyoudead vs ships.

Magman

try again,
1 typhoon(300m) pwns 1 mace (400m) easy
1 hunter(350m) pwns an infinity of amph (excluding grizly(2000m)) and three(3) shots a scalop(350m) from out of range
1 crusader pwns evrything for cost
1 snake can kill 4 ducks with some micro

k I see Kyubey so in other words paperships that die faster should solv many problems.
So simply lower the cost of whole units out of the shipfac and lower their hp.
Than all ships will be faster with their gameplay but on a "even" level with all other sea facs.
But still ducks are to strong.

The counter to see is !votemap

The scallop needs to be changed to have some torpedo AoE and higher damage - about 65-85 AoE and 200-250 damage would be useful for killing ducks and helping against the ship problem. The amph factory has no underwater anti-duck except the duck. Maybe also increase the speed to about 1.7 or 1.8 (warrior speed). This way it become an actually viable unit on both land and sea.

All ships should also have their speeds cut to a maximum of 3.5 (skeeter has 5. something!!) and crusader should be like a sea reaper artillery.

skeeter [colour=red]500hp 5.5speed 300rng[/colour] 43dps [colour=red]100m cost[/colour]
duck 400hp 2.7speed 240rng [colour=red]100dps[/colour] 150m cost
scrubber 300hp 4.8speed 220rng 37dps 85m cost


wait wut? LOW health? ur joking rite? RITE?

for referance: a dart
120hp 5.09speed 180rng 55dps 40m cost

Ships should not instantly beat everything in the water because it breaks the game.

if hovers and amphs could be equal to ships why would you do them cause they cant go to land

Hovers and amphibs are amphibious, they will always have utility on maps with land and water. If they were equal to ships in the water realm ships might as well as be removed from the game.

Imagine if spiders were just as strong as tanks or vehicles on flat maps. Just like tanks or vehicles beat spiders on flat, ships should always have something over amphibs or hovers in water. Not much, but enough to make ships a viable option on maps that aren't 100% water. Currently they probably have too big of an advantage, though.

quote: spiders are just as strong as tanks or vehicles on flat maps

FIFY

have you ever seen what hermits do vs htank, or venoms vs lveh?