make heavy tanks

reading this thread about the artillery: http://zero-k.info/Forum/NewPost?threadID=4967

this brings up a topic i had in mind for some time. this is about the reaper and the goliath tanks.

i have the impression that heavy tanks should really be what they are called, becasue, they are NOT.
crushers of doom, which can take a shitload of damage. they MUST not fear static defences.

therefore i have the following suggestions:

-increase HP, at least 1.5-2.0 times the current value for both tanks
-corrspondingly cut their speed by the HP gain value. reapers are ridiculously fast, and even golis have a decent speed. (hello? e=mc² and stuff. their engines for their HP ( assuming hp means mass) must be larger than their weaponery power...)
-keep price and firerate. see how this turn sout.
-bonus: experiemnt with turret turning rate. slow it down and maybe add higher damage.

=> slow fortresses of death to everything slow, high HP thing.
=> weak to fast units with good kiting AI - needs banisher assistance
=> weak to air bombardment - needs copperhead assistance
=> weak to terrorform - needs construction assistance (maybe a con on guard state to this unit restores terrorform on its waypoints?)

ravagers lack hp but have insane speed. reapers are not a replacement with just higher HP and cost, but are unique to them. this makes heavy tank fac much more different compared to LV.

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so you are sitting in your fortification and get the creep when you see this massive barrel slowly rolling towards your doors.

No, go on. I want to know what e=mc² has to do with this.

The assault tanks are the last thing in that lab that needs any TLC. The tank lab sports the most expensive riot unit in the game (which, despite its cost, can't fight raiders unsupported), two different artillery units that can't hit the broad side of a barn, the fiddliest raider in the game, and no skirmisher. It's kind of a mess.

You make reapers when you can afford many. Same as ravagers.

First combat unit out of tankfac is still usually banisher, because it's so anti-everything.

Banisher is an awesome skirmish/riot. It is so awesome that I wont attack unless I know I can kill it first.

Banisher is everything, but not riot.

For cheap riots AOE is fine, because you can make a circle of them to avoid surrounding, a line to cover a great area, and replace damaged ones.

Banishers shoot each other if dirtboxes and fleas get close, 2 can win against ravager-spam, but are easily killed by glaives.

Banisher could be so much better if it could survive along Reapers in groups, don't shot at own tanks with AOE, make cost vs glaives.


Missiles also look (look&feel) somewhat expensive vs cheap things.

As I said, it is everything BUT riot!

I had the impression that reaper and golliath are extremely strong units, with careful handling and repairs they make cost and dont fear defenses.

Whats the problem with them?

nonsense thread, tanks absolutely bully other facs with their hardcore bigness.

reaper is best unit ever
banisher forces enemies and kill it in one attack, or else take massive casualties
golly is a bit limp and inaccurate but powerful vs heavies with its slow

the joke is, you're wrong.