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The future of ZK

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10 years ago
what is the plan for ZK? What is the vision?

From what I have seen the vision seems to be of a well balanced, fast and accessible game with a large player base that will be popular for a long time. How is this to be achieved though?
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10 years ago
I would be very interested to see if the devs have a roadmap or plan or vision.

Having something like that could be very helpful, but it's not the kind of thing you can just tell someone to go make. Either at least one person who's heavily involved with the project and closely tied in with the other developers has the kind of mental organization such that they would produce a vision/plan/roadmap ... or not.
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How would you go about setting a roadmap of voluntary contributions?
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Many open source / voluntary projects have roadmaps.

Here's one example from GIMP.

Here's something very different from Firefox.

Here's something yet again completely different from VLC.
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What Mauran said.

Aside from all our balance and design guidelines, our longterm goals are essentially to get more players and increase the stability of the game and the engine (Pathing, desyncs, performance, ATI bugs etc).

Getting more players is essentially about throughput and retention: Getting more views and then turning those views into players. To do this, we need to: Get featured on blogs, news sites, review sites, aggregate sites, etc. Improve the quality of the website to offer a visually appealing, positive impression of the game. Have more and better produced video content. Ensure the install process is streamlined and easy for all users (Linux, ATI, etc). Improve the look of the lobby, so that it doesn't look like windows. Have a robust singleplayer experience with tutorial-through-play, a campaign, voice acting, etc. At some point get more money through Kudos (Or maybe Kickstarter, but really both) so that we actually have a revenue stream we can do something with (Very few game development companies work with $0 on advertising etc- but we need a way to figure out how to use it best as well).

Zero-K has won the war on being popular for a long time. We've been around for years, Spring has been around for longer, I'm proud of our longevity. Few obscure online-only games don't last more than a couple of years before their servers are all empty, if that long. What we really want is to go viral, get the kind of attention that PA, DF, Overgrowth, etc get. Even modest success here would swell our playerbase.
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10 years ago
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Ensure the install process is streamlined and easy for all users (Linux, ATI, etc).

What do you mean by that? I think I can help there.
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Go to the Zero-K bugs forum. At least half of the posts are about a user who cannot install the game, or get ZKL or Zero-K to run properly, they need drivers or their .net is not installed properly, and many problems under linux. For every user that posts, 100 others never get that far.

Linux users expect a higher degree of troubleshooting than others, and several of the forum posts help with this, but it can be better. ATI is a big one, having to go hunting for a specific set of drivers to run Zero-K (Or just having a buggy game) is pretty bad.

More trivially, the installation interface should look professional, with as few pages and clicking through as possible, and no need to go to outside sources or manually download anything else (Like drivers or .net). We're already pretty good with this, you no longer need to get engine, map, mod, lobby etc separately. But it could still be better. The player experience should be only a few clicks and allow them to get into the game as soon as possible.

A lot of this is about improving the stability, hardware support, attractiveness and user-friendliness of the website, lobby and game.
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More trivially, the installation interface should look professional, with as few pages and clicking through as possible, and no need to go to outside sources or manually download anything else (Like drivers or .net). We're already pretty good with this, you no longer need to get engine, map, mod, lobby etc separately. But it could still be better. The player experience should be only a few clicks and allow them to get into the game as soon as possible.

Does a terminal install count? I could give it colored writing and it could be quite user friendly. I could put some map packs together and things so there would be less downloading of individual maps and games and things. I couldn't help with ATI drivers though, unless it overlaps with Intel problems.

EDIT: I could try Zenity, that looks quite good. Should I do a mockup?
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10 years ago
Look what we currently have. I think a terminal install would be a huge step back from that.

The fact that ZKL auto-installs content as you need it is really great. I don't think mappacks are that much of a help. Any improvement of content installing is basically going to be done through an improvement to ZKL: To make the downloading process and what those bars at the bottom with the big red X's mean more obvious to the player, to make clicking through to the first time they start the game up more intuitive (So that they start exactly the mission or tutorial we want, rather than ending up in the sandbox wondering where the enemies are, or lost in multiplayer) to make the whole thing look less windowsy, etc.
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It is already a terminal install though.
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sudo apt-add-repository ppa:spring/ppa
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install spring mono-complete xprintidle p7zip wget
wget http://zero-k.info/lobby/Zero-K.exe
mono Zero-K.exe

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sudo apt-get install build-essential cmake cmake-gui git
sudo apt-get install libglew-dev libsdl-dev libdevil-dev libopenal-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libfreetype6-dev
sudo apt-get install p7zip-full libxcursor-dev libboost-thread-dev libboost-regex-dev
sudo apt-get install libboost-system-dev libboost-program-options-dev libboost-signals-dev

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cmake .
make
sudo make install

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ln -s /usr/local/bin/spring ~/.spring/engine/91.0
ln -s /usr/local/lib/libunitsync.so ~/.spring/engine/91.0

Granted, I wrote most of those instructions, but I think we could do much better. I will make something with Zenity. I think I will be able to make it look quite good. https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1920&bih=944&q=zenity&oq=zenity&gs_l=img.3..0j0i24l9.1039.1920.0.2696.6.6.0.0.0.0.122.593.4j2.6.0....0...1ac.1.30.img..0.6.591.UsEuf5rUNHU.
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10 years ago
Terminal installs are not user-friendly for the vast majority of computer users. While there is a slightly larger proportion of users for whom terminal installs are friendly in the Spring community than in the general population, it's still not that big and certainly not a growth direction.
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10 years ago
I will not do a terminal install, the terminal will only appear for a few seconds at the start of the installation before Yad takes over. It should fit in with whatever DE the player is using. I will use Yad and not Zenity because Zenity seems to be dead, leaving Yad as its successor.
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10 years ago
Is it not possible to make it part of a web-page - maybe together with weblobby?

And make this thing stable / less laggy?
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I have sort of hit a snag. In switching from Zenity to Yad I found that Yad is not available in the standard ubuntu repositories. It is available in the GetDeb repos but that is often offline. This leaves the only option as adding a third party repository to the users system (http://www.webupd8.org/2010/12/yad-zenity-on-steroids-display.html). Since I want to minimize terminal use and preferably have all terminal activity automated, this would have to be done without telling the user or asking permission. Perhaps Yad could get into the spring repository?
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10 years ago
Just make your own ncurses installer hurr.
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10 years ago
I could, but does this really give a good impression of the game?

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10 years ago
What about pyqt? (This was used for rapid-gui)
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10 years ago
Hmm...

I like the roadmap idea as a more strategical approach to achieving a goal. Maybe the devs could say if they are working a certain roadmap or are just doing what comes up. I think a roadmap might be appropriate for a strategy to increase the player base.
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AUrankAdminGoogleFrog made a wiki page of the current long-term goals: https://code.google.com/p/zero-k/wiki/DevelopmentTasks

There isn't really a roadmap in the sense that there is a goal A followed by a goal B followed by a goal C, because much like the game, progress is usually horizontal. So there is a goal A and a goal B and a goal C and none of them are a prerequisite for another. So improving the spectating/casting UI is a goal, but it doesn't necessarily need to come before the goal of creating new videos.

Also remember that 'developer' is a loose term. The game is created and supported by a community, and 'developer' is really just a way of designating the community members who contribute(d) regularly. SO if there are really some changes you want to see made, consider helping out on one of the tasks! Even contributions that feel very small can make a big difference.
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10 years ago
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Improve the wiki

Priority - Medium

The wiki is fairly incomplete.

I could do this if I had some direction. I can write quite well, the problem with previous attempts to improve the wiki is that I have had very little coordination and direction.
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