Hey there, in this battle at 11 and 15 min I was TKed twice by my teammate    [Kf3in]C21http://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/319215[sarcasm=on] I was talking with     Alcur right after battle and it seems TK is allowed as NY present(he doesn't care and he is admin)! [Kf3in]C21 isn't so special about this... Guyz, now when u see allies who u don't like u can simply TK them, without any consequences! as easy as this! Just rush skittle or a bunch of roaches(just like [Kf3in]C21 did) and u're done. If you're interested I can guide u in a wonderful TK world, if you didn't know there are tons of funny ways to TK in ZK and now u can try them all! We need more Anteeps as it seems one is definitely not enough. [sarcasm=off] Thanks for the attention and happy NY! wub wub!
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One Word: LOL Other team had a rager in it, kf3in tks like a troll, and fireman incidently does nothing wrong. Wow. I've seen everything now. [Spoiler]PS: wub wub
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TK is NOT allowed. the matter was discussed. side note: if [Kf3in]C21 had the same amount of reports like you, he would get the same judicative actions like you. this was the first report he got, playing for 2200 games. edit: i condemn teamkill, the talks were serious and [Kf3in]C21 apologized for his misbehaviour. he is unlikely to do it again, which is what we want to achieve with this silly CoC and stuff. in the end, the environment must become and stay a friendly one. quote from the chat: quote:
I think punishments are mostly for those who can't be reasoned with
if firepluk is verbally abusive we'll mute him or if divo teamkills we'll ban him since we know they'll do it again and again
reasonable people probably benefit more from a warning.
a punishment might be effective as well, but I don't see much of a point in that if the player has proved he is capable of playing by the rules for thousands of battles. |
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  mojjj has already pointed out most of the stuff. To reiterate: TK is NOT allowed. In many cases it will result in a ban. However, an excellent past record is a good reason to not ban someone right away for a first offence. In this case the price of the TK was the loss of an excellent record and an additional punishment was deemed unnecessary. Edit: for accuracy's sake, C21 had 1 previous report, not 0. It was for a very minor thing and thus was not that relevant, though.
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>>the talks were serious and [Kf3in]C21 apologized for his misbehaviour apologized where? Did he ask apologize from me? Right after game he said me - I warned you and I always do what I say. kk? >> [23:40] [Kf3in]C21 no need to watch replay [23:40] [Kf3in]C21 i did it [23:41] [Kf3in]C21 u have no right to be so useless with such a level firepluck [23:41] [Kf3in]C21 i said u many time [23:41] [Kf3in]C21 i do what i say Firepluk kk? He was threating me to TK => he did TK => he did not feel sorry after he did this => should be punished for this TK 3 times. The end. The simple analogy: You go into street and kill the first met with a knife and then say to his wife that just needed a victim to let rage go out. Then when you will be getting arrested(all in his blood) you will say sorry, this was a mistake. Should I Continue? The shit should not work this way and a serious crime should be punishable - in this context a TK made with a clear purpose(even double TK in context of this game). Epilogue: general rules should be the same for everyone - if not, u're nothing better than Anteep and with this behavior you encourage Anteep-like behavior, because justice. If you can't get justice in a "legal" way u search for "illegal", as simple as this.
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“Sometimes it’s like watching a wasp land on a stinging nettle: someone’s going to get stung and you don’t care.”
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Rushing a fusion with only one mex then using the repay to spam athenas while the guy next to you gets run over all alone is hardly "doing nothing wrong". Oh, and let's not forget those storages while we're at it. sfireman would never play like that if he were solo; that definitely has "screw the team!" written all over it.
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"u have no right to be so useless with such a level firepluck" That sums it all up! BTW, how would you have reacted if C21 had simply set up a !kick vote for uselessness ?
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Rushing a fusion with only one mex then using the repay to spam athenas while the guy next to you gets run over all alone is hardly "doing nothing wrong". Oh, and let's not forget those storages while we're at it. sfireman would never play like that if he were solo; that definitely has "screw the team!" written all over it. |
Not sure if cant detect sarcasm or troll. However, fireman was playing the game as he wanted to, which was inherently isn't doing anything wrong since he didn't ruin the game for others (eg: teamkill, blocking factories, or smurfing.) If someone playing badly (purposefully or not) is ruining the enjoyment of the game, you should start taking yourself/the game less seriously. quote:
"u have no right to be so useless with such a level firepluck"
That sums it all up!
BTW, how would you have reacted if C21 had simply set up a !kick vote for uselessness ? |
Isn't kicking a newbie for being useless the same thing as kicking a highly experienced player for being useless? TK, kick, or anything else like that over a game is irrational and being completely unreasonable. The only proper, justifiable solution to the issue at hand would have been resigning and walking away. Perhaps the stress was too great to see this and he simply cracked; who knows. But I would hardly call his actions justifiable.
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"Isn't kicking a newbie for being useless the same thing as kicking a highly experienced player for being useless?" IMO, the answer is contained in your question, if you see what I mean. You can't treat two players the same way if they are not comparable. " TK, kick, or anything else like that over a game is irrational and being completely unreasonable. The only proper, justifiable solution to the issue at hand would have been resigning and walking away. Perhaps the stress was too great to see this and he simply cracked; who knows. But I would hardly call his actions justifiable." Yeah, maybe YOU (and obviously sfire) have tons of free time at hand, but for others like C21 and myself which do not, wasting 30 minutes or less of precious free time only to allow a player to experiment whatever he wants too is not pleasant at all. Thus, it is VERY rational to see that it does not happen or if it does happen, that this player also has his fun ruined. Trust me, I also sometimes want to experiment, but you always should think about the team in a team game.
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I think fireman was genuinely trying not to be useless, but he still was because Athena rez sucks. Athena needs to be rezzing for 140s just to theoretically make cost (and that isn't even counting the energy cost of rez+cloak which could've been used for OD), it takes even more to actually repay because you also need time to move between wrecks. The facts that the unit types you get are forced upon you (unlike reclaim that can be spent on anything), that reclaim can also work on debris and rocks, that Commander rezz is superior in cost-effectiveness (!) and that Athena being a gunship makes it vulnerable to the Swift boost instagib from the other side of the map doesn't help either.
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I think fireman was genuinely trying not to be useless, but he still was because Athena rez sucks... |
Technically he didn't even have enough energy to push all those athenas. quote:
Yeah, maybe YOU (and obviously sfire) have tons of free time at hand, but for others like C21 and myself which do not, wasting 30 minutes or less of precious free time only to allow a player to experiment whatever he wants too is not pleasant at all. Thus, it is VERY rational to see that it does not happen or if it does happen, that this player also has his fun ruined.
Trust me, I also sometimes want to experiment, but you always should think about the team in a team game. |
I think that's kind of missing the point. It should be obvious to anyone with sense that a 1 mex fusion rush isn't going to make cost, and that athenas don't kill units or make mexes or take territory. You can hardly call something an 'experiment' if you already know the outcome. At least when he's messing around with gunships he's actually trying to achieve something.
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I'm saying Athena's rezz is a noobtrap. It's a very good unit otherwise, IMO (scouting, versatile unit choice, sneaky backstabbing). quote:
Technically he didn't even have enough energy to push all those athenas. |
I figured that's what the early fusion was for. quote:
It should be obvious to anyone with sense that a 1 mex fusion rush isn't going to make cost, and that athenas don't kill units or make mexes or take territory. You can hardly call something an 'experiment' if you already know the outcome |
That would imply Athena rezz is widely known to be useless. I'd say that people don't generally think that because Comm rezz is often very powerful and they don't expect the only other rezzer to be crappier than the Com. Athena does eventually make cost (even though it does not kill or take territory) because rezzing generates free metal (at energy efficiency comparable to OD) in the form of units, just the ability is slow, fail-prone and generally inferior to reclaim. I think rez in current implementation is somewhat gimmicky. I'd move the rezzing ability onto some other unit because Athena already does a lot. It seems that rez cannot go to any existing con though because it used to be shuffled around on 3 different ones before ending up on Athena. A strider constructor is something that we don't have so it could be one target, but we probably don't have one for reasons (very kitchensinky). I wouldn't miss it much if it was removed but then we'd have baw sprees again. Of course it could also stay unchanged as a noobtrap if nothing better is devised.
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Well I must apologize TrollMaster, i should probably have done it just after but i was a bit angry to do so. This is the first time I connect since this game. As Shaman said i just cracked, the reason is that I have very few time to play (baby, multiple lifes) and as I am hardly addicted to this game I become violent when I lack my dose ^^. I was also probably tired, baby, you know... So well, please forgive me this time i'll try to avoid other ones. Anyway I must also say that i generally enjoy playing with you, even if sometimes your trollness drive me crazy. Connetable explained my feeling so well, i play few and i like to enjoy my game when I do, I can understand that newbies play ZK like a sim city game but it's hard for me to see a 2000 elo player having a selfish and suiciding strategy. Sorry, so and happy new year
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"general rules should be the same for everyone" TrollMaster If you absolutely need my ban to forgive this horrible crime ;) , I have no problem with it, I suppose I deserve it.
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Is it possible to lock a single player from building specific units as punishment? i.e. inflicting the effect on just one player, but across all that player's games.
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