Zero-K v1.1.1.1 & Bombard Commander

To celebrate this release, i've now renamed all my custom commanders into <medieval thing><commander> scheme!

... but when I want to attack a cluster of units and drag a box/circle around them, with the new keybinds I now have to use the "F" key? Or have you managed to separate attack from attack-ground?

I need to suck it up and set up a Recon Commander, apparently.

From now on I hate MauranKilom.

Skasi nah better suggest to add a switch for the attack/fight keybind in settings ;)

aww now need new com slot..

There's no way around conflicts in the a-f-topic.

If you keep it the previous way, newbies will have a hard time getting used to the controls (which already happens enough in other places, say leftclicking the minimap doesn't work). Streamlining (at least) default hotkeys with other RTS will always be a good idea.

If you just make a the hotkey for fight and f for attack then ofcourse it won't make sense, but the meaning of the command names doesn't change (i believe that's what happened, and it's in my eyes the most comfortable way for everyone).

If you completely exchange fight and attack (that is, fight means attack ground and attack the previous fight or attack-move, a chance code-wise if you will) then current players will get messed up big time (although their hotkeys stay the same). They'd have to change the attack command to f and the fight command to a in order to have their play unaffacted. So for new players the hotkeys will make sense, but not for the current ones (and it would mean extra work).

Edit: Oh, Licho found a nice way to make sense of it :D

While we are at it, could somebody update the commander guide wiki (http://zero-k.info/Wiki/CommanderGuide)?

quote: And if I press "attack" and pick a target, what happens?

Even better: you press attack and drag. What does the red circle do?

The change was done in order to make things easier for newbies. Consider the following scenarios (in the perspective of a newbie):

- "A" for attackground: You want to attackmove your units against the enemy. But all your units attack the same patch of ground. Horribly frustrating, since your units get bashed into the dust without even harming the enemy.
- "A" for attackmove: Attackmoving works as expected, but you can't target specific enemy units. But at least your units do something to harm the enemy.

Actually, forceattack to target specific units is much more logical than attackmove on specific units. And if you get into more "advanced" tactics like focus firing, having to learn to use a different hotkey isn't all that bad.

We won't be able to put both attackmove and focusfire on a single hotkey. However, the new solution is (as shown above) immediately less confusing/gamebreaking as the previous one.

I don't think so, Fireplace, because it's not a Gauss rifle anymore. It is "converted", i.e. changed into a new state. In my view it is meant to convey that the change is so fundamental that the old weapon effectively ceases to exist.