I would like to nominate the surfboard as the most pointless unit of the year.

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Kerr

11 years ago
(edited 11 years ago)

IMO surfboard is utterly pointless of all fronts.
* No land unit on top of a water transport will Be as effective as sea units...
* If transport dies, unit drowns...
* Looks silly as hell
* water only transport is silly when air transport is cheaper, faster, and can go anywhere... and still silly because of clunky usability.
* Hovers or amph do the sea > land assaults, so no reason to bring tanks or vehicles...
* Cost is unbalancable, Either it makes a unit way to expensive to deploy in this fashion... or its so cheap that surfboard becomes the next scout/damage tank... or if surboard gets HP nerf then it's even more useless as a combat transport.

I think that maybe if it did something silly like generate shield (only when a unit is loaded) for like 20 metal, as well as transported unit takes ALL damage until it's destroyed... maybe it might be used once a century in one game...

But then its still silly as a design decision, why would putting a land unit on top of a sea unit be better than building a sea unit?

If we do keep it, it needs some major love...

For your enjoyment:

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Saktoth

11 years ago

That's realistic military style, with the ramp and all, not giant robot fighting style. If you want to add complexity to your model add complexity of design, not random doodads like aerials, barrels and such. Especially do not add human-scale elements.

Anyway yeah surfboat does kind of suck but it's kind of a matter of 'whatever' because who cares?

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Skasi

11 years ago

Lies, surfboat is epic. Players just didn't realize that yet. Next time I'll go sea it'll be surfboat spam.

Just think of the possibilities:
* Slowbeam on sea
* Always-firing Slasher
* Teleportship
* Ultimatum on sea
* Roachboat
* Scallop can fire both weapons
* Floaters like Bouy move while firing

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mojjj

11 years ago
(edited 11 years ago)

slasher on board! will try that!

btw, quake is also way to underused.
btw, djinn is also way to underused.

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Skasi

11 years ago

Hence why I suggested Teleboat!

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Kyubey

11 years ago

"djin is underused" is an understatment

"djin is not used" is fact

make djin cheaper, make it posible to build using normal cons, and make it have a personal cloak that dosen't die when it starts teleporting...

otherwhise djin is probably the most usless unit in zk

forever uses seismics
i use siesmics

maybe seismices aoe could use a buff (so it could be used with htanks)

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Failer

11 years ago
(edited 11 years ago)

mojjj , @Littlebunnywabbit
I use djinn all time Im amphs lab. Its pretty useful when its a bit behind front line.

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Forever

11 years ago

Seismic missiles are best counter to porc and to terraformed areas that have singu or moho behind

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Failer

11 years ago

Also.. water shieldball.. :D

Felons are pretty slow, and aspis are even slower.. when put all this shit on surfboard u can get raider shieldball.. lol

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Anarchid

11 years ago
(edited 11 years ago)

You forgot the capture boat, which probably accounts for 80% of surfboard use.

quote:
* Ultimatum on sea

Will be cloakless, because there is no hiding from sonar in current ZK. Even if you bring an eraser-boat, you're still visible.

quote:
* Scallop can fire both weapons

And be fired upon with both types!

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Kerr

11 years ago

Always firing slasher > at cost of 240 Metal to deploy. + need two factories

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[Sprung]

11 years ago

quote:
Will be cloakless, because there is no hiding from sonar in current ZK.

Don't you need both sonar and sight to see UW stuff, and isn't Ulti amphibious? You could theoretically move a cloaked Ulti below your target, load it and fire a shot, and disembark to get hidden back.

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Anarchid

11 years ago
(edited 11 years ago)

Last time i checked, cloaked Ultis were free targets for Snakes. I'll test, though, just in case.

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NeonSturm

11 years ago

Eraser can cloak surfboats, but not itself if it sits on one.
Cloaked ulti within range of an eraser costs additional energy to cloak.

quote:
@Saksi: Lies, surfboat is epic. Players just didn't realize that yet. Next time I'll go sea it'll be surfboat spam.

Just think of the possibilities:
* Slowbeam on sea
* Always-firing Slasher
* Teleportship
* Ultimatum on sea
* Roachboat
* Scallop can fire both weapons
* Floaters like Bouy move while firing

* Slowbeam lacks range vs Enforcer and is a 460m target (with surfboat)
* Slasher has too low weight.
* Ultimatuum might be good, but why does a ship transport not have more hp? 1000 would be 1/2 of ulti
* Roachboat is too expensive. Skuttleboat might be better.

From all mentioned possibilities, I think Bouy is the best.
Everything that has about equal hp and as much as possible hp compared to surfboat.

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mojjj

11 years ago
(edited 11 years ago)

NeonSturm

sonar does detect always cloaked units. this is a built-in feature by design of the unit itself.

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norm0616

11 years ago

I always thought Pillager gunboats were kinda cool, but yeah most surfboard strats aren't particularly cost-effective. Of course you don't see ships on a large number of maps anyways, my big issue is that the AI seems to have trouble working if one is trying to transport masses of units (I can't seem to get the ferry route to work in particular).

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Skasi

11 years ago

For biggest gain load hovers on surfboats!!!

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Kerr

11 years ago

I will admit that pillager on surfboard is fun/hilarous in single player and chickens...
but is any team member builds free fac + 500 m extra fac + 700 m arty + surfboard to to get a ranged unit onto the water... why aren't they building the (forgot name of unit here) from ships?

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Kyubey

11 years ago
(edited 11 years ago)

at a cost of 1520m the unit you are thinking of is either the crusader(700m) or the warlord (3500m)(wich is the same as 5 pilagers glued together)

or maybe the penetrator (at 1000m)

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Skasi

11 years ago

Nah, he means Enforcer I think. It's 1200 metal. But yeah, Crusader would be a cheaper option and it comes with a riot depthcharger.

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