who is JXG

I was light blue in my first week and was near dark blue after 2-3. This game isn't that hard. Also his rank is from casual which is easy to farm if you win lobpots often

LOL molecule! Im not some exceptional ZK-genius, altho I did expect to stay at light blue at least a bit longer lol. I do occasionally play MM, tho im not great at 1v1 so ya, my rank is mostly from large to medium sized teamgames aka casual.
I've clocked a few hours in BA8v8DSD and lobsterpot in ZK is somewhat similar so that helps. ;)


As for what I do - actually I'm a medical professional, yes thats right I'm a doctor.
Since I'm already introducing myself, heres a 'lil snapshot of me getting ready for another round in [A] Teams All Welcome!

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What kind of a doctor are you?

Anarchid, any chance you could share your ez win strat for lobpots?

I agree with Jasper tbh -- lobpot "elo" ~1800 (most of which I got from beating custom game 1v1s and then lost it again in lobpots); MM elo (despite playing it much less and not playing for a year) ~2200.

The closest thing I can think of to what you claim is Blankmind's strategy of spam minotaurs and not lose them but I could not do a 1 unit spam strat unless I actually like the unit and I hate virtually all tank units.

quote: Anarchid, any chance you could share your ez win strat for lobpots?

Sure here you go.

quote: Lmfao. There is no way 1v1/2v2 is harder to win then lob pots.

Obvious counterpoint: In a lobpot, your enemy cannot consist entirely of Godde (though i'm open to seeing a battle where one side consists of 6-8 Goddes).

In 1v1, your enemy can easily consist entirely of Godde.

Lobpots are harder to win because they are random. For example, if you were trying to get a high elo in the extremely skillful game of flipping coins you would find it very difficult (because that game is by definition random).

CatLady is suggesting that the custom game stars are essentially fake ones used to boost people's ego. I agree with that somewhat, it's clearly much harder to gain stars in competitive matchmaking for the equivalent skill you have in a custom game. There are plenty of examples of players who are under-starred in regular matchmaking (e.g. DrDoom, Wesley, noobula, raaar).

This is because the elo level required to get a star in custom games is significantly lower than the elo required to get a star in matchmaking -- if they even normalized that to be the same more people would play matchmaking I think.

quote: Lobpots are harder to win because they are random. For example, if you were trying to get a high elo in the extremely skillful game of flipping coins you would find it very difficult (because that game is by definition random).

Flipping coins is easy to win. But yes, randomness of the slow grind is what makes it soul-crushing.

You may have your teams WR at 70%, which will keep pumping your rating slowly - but each time you lose by no fault of your own will do quad damage to your morale.

quote: So if you play too many, you stop tryharding and your WR drops to 50%.

quote: Complete rubbish -- in a game genuinely decided by a 50/50 coinflip your winrate is by definition 50%.

Click the link, mang. Coins are deterministic macroscale objects, they can be made to land in any ways you want.

Of course you could insist that it's not a coinflip but a pseudorandom generator that is impossible to tamper, or some quantum magical crap, or a mathematical abstraction of some sort, but w/e.

If absolute impossibility of influencing the outcome of ZK teamgames is your hill, you may have it (and the fun you find in those games, too!)

i dont find lobpots random at all,the team who has the most trolls usually looses.
If you know the players the outcome aint hard to predict but its true that they are random because you just dont know how many trolls you get on your team.

Sometimes you get 5 troll coms sometimes you get 3 air who each start with constructor.Other times you have full backline of players doing stupid troll strats while you have 2 ppl holding entire enemy team.

Lobsterpots are fun because its never a fair game.

1v1's are easy because you dont need to worry about your team working agaisnt you.

Except for the connotations: you say that teamgames being random and giving low rewards makes them "difficult" with the connotation of a more worthy challenge; while i say that the same makes them tedious, stressful, and unrewarding with the connotation of being a less worthy challenge.

I have literally the entire time been saying the opposite of this. I have been trying to post examples to make exactly that point that lobpots are NOT a worthy challenge.

The problem is that stars in matchmaking are MUCH harder to get than in lobpots, so people play lobpots. Perhaps change that so that stars are based on elo level?

[Technical point: both casual and MM have the same K-factor afaik so it IS reasonable to compare a MM elo with a casual elo.]