Training mission for teams room

The most harmful thing to the ZK playerbase is the veteran raging/nubs not listening problem. Debate as to whose fault it is is non-productive. We need a practical solution. A single tutorial mission that corrects the balance-breaking newbie faults in the Teams setting. For me and Sortale, this is:

-Expand, raid, don't porc, don't suicide

Why? So there is a single step that can be either suggested or required of new players to screen out balance-breaking newbie behaviour. The objective is not to train experts, or teach everything, but simply create a single point that removes the mistakes that destroy the chance of a team winning entirely.

Sortale and I have constructed a mission that aims to do this
http://zero-k.info/Missions/Detail/210
(it has been polished a bit more now)

Not everyone will like it, and armchair criticism is easy, but ZK urgently needs this so that it doesn't hemorrhage players for no good reason.

Sortale and I request that the Devs give other players four weeks to actually build a mission that is better, and then choose the best actual-real-existing-mission as the official prerequisite mission for the Teams room.

I really don't like the idea of adding requirements to play in teams. The problem with veterans raging at noobs would easily be solved if the veterans used Platinum.

LOL mojjj.

We accept the mission will need to be a "strong suggestion" for the time being, rather than any sort of requirement. Perhaps once official the next step will be more obvious.

quote: visible elo / veterans used Platinum

I support these suggestions too. They are not mutually exclusive with a team training mission. So, I still challenge others to build a better mission or support this one for official :)

I fully support the idea of a tutorial mission (or a series of them covering different things) but making it a requirement to play in teams could discourage a lot of people - especially if they have previous RTS experience - and new players are vital to keeping ZK alive. What I don't understand is why you would make it compulsory. If it is about minimizing the amount of veteran vs noob rage would it not be more effective to encourage people to use Platinum if they don't like mixed-skill games?

That doesn't mean you have to force them to do that, though.

Andy doesn't count, he's a defrosted spring vet.

quote: I hear there will be good/fun tutorials and a campaign when zk is on steam.

FIFY

for me tutorials are generally very boring, especially if i came to the game for PVP play

unless ZK want to advertise it as a PVE game, tutorials should be strictly optional
(with maybe some minor bonuses such as a commander skin attached to it)


the only tutorial to date that i have enjoyed is the one in Gem Craft, that tutorial does not interfere with play at all and is thoroughly fun:
how to gemcraft tutorial:

quote: if(OnFirstPlay) { highlight(find.mex(300elmo, all)); markertext(build mex on these spots to produce metal, player.commander); select(commander, econ build menu); highlight("metal extractor"); OnFirstPlay=false; return; };

ill just throw this in here:

quote: ... this is why i think we need a welcome screen that directly links to the basic manual and tutorial missions and maybe the newbies only room. this might direct newbies to the places they should be in their first 2 hours of zk.

dont know about the use of force but having all the links and some very basic info right in peoples face when they start the lobby for the first time and having the games we dont want them to be in not readily accessible might just do the trick.

i like it, tho i imagined a more in your face kind of thing, like an extra window in the center of the screen.

All that would be needed would be for the lobby to automatically fullscreen and look more relevant to the game (shiny buttons!).