LOW Elo limit for "Teams: all welcome"

Or just require mandatory singleplay for multiplayer access.

quote: Or just require mandatory singleplay for multiplayer access.

That would work if we had a decent singeplayer xD

Think problem is more that missions do not work for all players, at least not reliably enough do you can make it a requirement for all new players.

I think "Newbie Room" should be more than just normal room with elo limit:

1) Limit it to one map.
It is players first game, you want to make sure it is on a decent map.
That map should be a very basic one, so no water map or any "complicated" terrain.
Could even make a special "newbie map" with hints/signs on the map like "good position to build defense." That takes some work to make but not as much as a full tutorial.
Also prevents the "tons of map dls are starting because map is changed so often" problem.

1b) SC2 has beginner maps where rushing is harder, because the entrance to base is blocked with stones. Could do something similiar.

2) The newbie room games should not effet elo. Elo is supposed to meaure skill but if two very new players play each other it is more luck than anything. Instead have an archivement for winning a match on newbie host. 5 wins are required to play on normal host.
Sure, that can be cheated but so can elo. And even killing NullAI 5 times is more experience than some players have.

3) Limited unlocks for obvious reason.
Imo could even change the unlock system: On newbie host it is limited, in others rooms everything is buildable.

4) Not sure if/how that is doable: When player has wanted ~5 minutes in battleroom and no opponent joined, ask him if wants to add a bot player.

5) Whatever requirement is added, require it for existing good players too.
So that you have experienced players testing the system and reporting problems.
(new players are unlikely to report problems, they just leave)

TheSponge no he wouldn't. You assume there is no balancer. If we take the balancer into account which always tries to give both teams a 50-50 chance to win(in a perfect world at the very least), it would be irrelevant what teammates he got, because in the end the teams would be made up in such a way that he still has a 50% chance to win or lose the game. This is, of course, granted that his current elo has steadied out to represent his current skill level.

You see, whether a team has low elo players or not is irrelevant, because due to the balancer and assuming no clanstacking, the team with the worst players will also be given the best players to compensate.

The thing that really loses games is people who underperform their current elo rating, like lvl 0 players who are not worth their 1250 rating or even worse, 1900 elo trolls who decide to throw games thus not performing anywhere close to that of the 1900 elo player in the other team. Still, if the 1900 elo troll player can keep his elo it means he will make up for his failed trolling in other games by carrying the team, but it will surely provide for some frustrating losses for some people who have to put up with it.

So, in short, theoretically, even if you had a 600 elo player on your team it will not hinder your chances of victory assuming that there are enough players in the room to properly balance the team. Teams lose because people underperform their current elo in that specific game, not because of low or high elo.

Edit: As for the solution, I'd rather much suggest a level limit to teams:all welcome. New players have then a chance to get some practice first and at least not underperform their starting 1250(or whatever it is for team games) elo. An elo limit is literally useless, as described in my post.

I suggest Troll limit for "Teams: all welcome" room. No more than 1 troll per team.

I think trolls are a different problem, unrelated to whether a "newbies room" is a good or bad idea.
Balancer problems are a different topic, too.

I thought this was about providing some sort of room where new players can play the game without being overwhelmed with all the options or experienced players.

Now I feel sorry and stupid for writing something constructive, I did not see who opend this thread :/

"Teams: all welcome*"

*not all welcome

quote: Look, each topic I anyone start, always rolls down to a discussion about trolls!

troll reporting for duty!!!

on the subject, you will get alot of nubs P.Oed by forcing them into a single player campaign while this game is advertised as multiplayer


i would only advise either a youtube video, or a very short tutorial(skipable) being made available to newbs when they just logged into zk. there are newbs that read the manual, and there are newbs that just get in and play (i was the latter) any hinderance to above mentioned, would probably resulted in me going afk or ragequitting the game.

stupid sugestions like making newbs spec x number of games will just hurt the playerbase...

Yeah obviously real games are never truly 50/50 in terms of win chance. There are some small other factors too, but one of the most obvious ones is that people's skill levels are not constants, they fluctuate and in most cases improve over games played. Still, these small fluctuations are at worst gonna swing a theoretically 50/50 game into a very small advantage for one team and thus this is not really gamebreaking.

And again, winning or losing depends on either over- or underperforming your current expected performance(which is described by the elo number). If your skill level is higher than your current elo, you will win slightly more than 50% of your games.

But my main point was that elo itself should not be a criteria based upon what people get blocked from the teams all welcome room. That's what the experienced room is made for anyway.

Whether a lvl 0 should be able to join teams: all welcome games before playing a single game vs the CAI or the tutorials is another topic, I kind of think it's a nice and mannered thing to make yourself somewhat familiar with the very basics before joining ranked team games. At the same time I find it hard to believe that the occasional lvl 0 in team games is breaking the game or truly ruining the experience of other players.

The game is not ruined by new players, the games is ruined by people that resign or exit game just because they don't like how it started, is ruined by people that pause the game 100 times just to waste time, is ruined by people that when the game is not going like they want start to insult all the team. What are we talking about here? See the reality and don't listen to one that insults and rages at everyone.