Revert outlaw

the new outlaw dosent work, please revert it back to its old stats

the new outlaw (without pulse delay) is too strong vs evrything, and is basicaly unstopable (without snippers).

the delay was horible, but the multihit without delay is even worse

unless you plan to remove its damage complely, it will be OP without the pulse delay

mauran wach some of the tourney games... i slaughtered levelers with 2 convict and 2 outlaws... and rokko don't actualy work that well vs shield balls

there are strategies that work, but the shieldball is really too strong with outlaws in it(the shield lab units actualy have some of the best synergies with themselves in ZK)

a few games with atom doing just that:
http://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/171636
http://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/171617

replays of me abusing outlaw shieldballs (literaly just 2 convicts+an outlaw)
http://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/171725
http://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/171729

ill add more as i abuse it more

Couldn't the problem be traced back to Convict shields as well?
Of course comparing it to a small jammerfield and cloak on the Rector is hard.
No other con has so much HP or cost and you can only get under the shield if the Convict is alone and you micro.

B169929 2 on Aquatic Divide Revised v02

In this game I push dabadab with mostly Convicts and Outlaws.
He tried some ticks but usually he only got the Outlaw and nothing else.

Difference is that the Outlaw fires through the convicts so you can mass convicts infront of the outlaw while the Outlaw closes the distance.
It is much easier to micro than something being blocked by the Convicts.

Edit:What do you mean with balanced?
No other con can tank for other units without taking attrition damage. Its' a pretty strong combat ability for the Convict compared to any other cons.

quote: theres no other unit in sheldlab that can benefit from convict shields

Poor felon... Coincidentally, another unit that makes your army close to immune against crawling bombs (if they aren't used as mines).

Tank cons need repair whereas the Convict shield is free. Clams are not anything special on land. Rector is really weak with only 450 hp. Spiders cons are slow and relatively weak so you would be better off using shield cons.

Particularly Outlaw benefits from Convict shields, yes. Linkage is still useful for any shield unit and with micro even Bandits can hide inside the shield of the Convict.

quote: the old delay let you tick/roach convict/outlaw balls quite effectively ...but now

Yeah. I know. I said that would change even before they implemented the change and the devs responded by saying that they would nerf Outlaw in turn which they kinda did. http://zero-k.info/Forum/Thread/3735
Mobile bombs used to counter Outlaws. It was a bit unintuitive as the wave would visually hit the mobile bombs several times before they would take damage.

Now it is a knifes edge. If the Outlaw is moving towards the mobile bomb, the mobile bomb will get it and stuff coming in from behind as well.
If the Outlaw is moving away the mobile bomb might get the Outlaw but nothing behind the Outlaw.

Convict should not be replacing Thug wholesale. Convict gets 6.4 shield power per cost, thug gets 6.9 per cost. Thug has 5.3 hp per cost, convict 4.6. The Thug has more shield regen (16 vs 9), but I think on the whole the utility of the convicts nano (Given that it's fairly cost effective on nano alone) massively beats out the very poor DPS that the thug brings.

These numbers look quite off. But what's the best way to nerf it while preserving desired traits? Max shield will lower the point at which it starts to charge ally shields and make certain shots start to pass through entirely, while cost makes it's nano power worse. We can nerf it's range but then AoE starts to penetrate earlier and it has a harder time protecting what it's constructing (which is meant to be one of the intended uses).

The original implementation was pretty experimental, just a sort of 'sounds cool, add it and change the values if we need to' thing. It just goes to show how long it takes to reach the metagame that it's been in the game this way for this long and we're only seeing it really abused now.

I'm pretty happy with bombs vs outlaw. Riot units are meant to semi-counter bombs and there is nothing else short of the felon that does, for a factory especially weak to bombs.

Ever since Convict got its' shield, Shieldbots have been my standard choice on maps with heavy reclaim. No other lab can safely keep up with Shield con reclaim.
Convict got 900 shield HP and 650 HP which requires unmicroed raiders to do more than 1550 damage to kill the Convict. Even if the enemy can mitigate the shield by microing underneath it, the Shieldbot player can use similar micro to keep his Bandits under the Convict Shield so the advantage is still there when both players micro well.

Now it is hard to compare the combat ability of the convicts to the mostly non-combat abilities of jammer and cloak on Rectors, speed on vehicle cons and hover cons and allterrain on spider cons.

Anyway. I think that Convicts shield should be nerfed with about 200-400 shieldpower and 100-200 HP.