Lobster

I suggest that lobster ability throw enemy units should be removed.

quote: I suggest that it stays as it is. Lobster is the only counter Amphs have for Crabs.

Yes and only amph counter vs coms, ships (siren for example) and other costly heavy units?
Tell me how i can counter such tactics from spider factory? Lets look at sumo who is general counter to crab spires. I can stun it with infis and even kill if i have more units. But this one? What can i do against it? Plz tell me.

Beautiful

So i have to mass venoms near my com, near crab to counter troll move with two cheap lobsters. Great.

quote: Lobster is the only counter Amphs have for Crabs.

What counter do spiders have for Lobster? Lobster has too much health to be melted by Redbacks even if you could park them on the Crab. Venoms also not likely to survive.

The Lobster works by forcing a local force superiority. Two lobsters alone can't kill anything even if you managed to lob units, unless you are throwing them into lava or something.

Using two lobster to lob enemy unit towards friendly units rather than friendly units towards enemy ones has the difference of forcing enemy unit in middle of friendly units rather than other way around. The Lobster throwing enemy units is not the problem.

If you really wanted to counter the Lobster, you could park widow next to the CRab and have it stun the lobster before it gets to act. Static defences like Stingers also damage a lone lobbed lobster, although one is not enough.

quote: Meanwhile Senaven seems to think that having to use more than zero venom is already unfair.

Its not about having venoms is problem. Problem is that you have to put more resources to counter it then he need to troll you. Your solution dosnet work because they are not so simple. Problem to counter lobster is larger then use it. I even dont talk about crabs. In that game in same manner commander was thrown out and killed. I have ships in such manner killed. And in most cases if lobster thrower looses is jus one cheap lobster while you can loose much more metalz.
Its like with scallop ball with shields. To counter it you need shit everything out but enemy just spam mono scallop ball + shield in sea and most cases gg.

quote: You are still ignoring the fact that it is not the Lobster that kills the Crab, it is the force superiority the Crab is forced to face.

That's not relevant, yes you have force superiority because you got to choose where the Crab was.

Crab needs more counters not less.

quote: Its not about having venoms is problem. Problem is that you have to put more resources to counter it then he need to troll you

If 2 venoms are sufficient, then 2 venoms are cheaper than 2 lobsters.

I think other factories may have some similar options.

Maybe not ships though because of how a flying lobster transitions water-air-water.