Noelo wtf!

It's a shame.
Why did I play games in agreement with the other players and set them to noelo and instead lost points and elo?
It doesn't seem serious to me because I haven't played seriously but trying something new.
What does noelo mean?
Sorry BUT IT'S NOT SERIOUS.
 It is hard to take points and get lost due to software that does not work!

Thank you katastrophe.
But the point is that I feel it is a betrayal. I played with zenfur and others with the noelo option.
If I wanted to win or lose points I played 1vs1.
It's not right. That's all

The noelo works.

I created the room early that morning, we had few noelo games with "Noelo" in title. Then the room grew bigger and I've renamed it to "Lobsterpot" and did "!resetoptions" - so the noelo no longer applied. There is a visual bug however, the "!resetoptions" works but it does not update the display of changed settings. It was displaying "noelo=1" while it not being true.

Sorry for the inconvenience it may have caused. Ask DeinFreund to mark all games from that room as noelo as it was displayed and fix that bug already.

There should be some actual games linked in this thread.

I've revoked the rank updates.

The change may take some time to be effected.

I like the autohost idea of truly casual, noelo room. I think that many agree that noelo games are more relaxing. "Casual" elo is still elo and "casual" is frankly bullshit. Even if it was hidden and used only for balancing purposes, the "casual" and "elo"/"whr" should be antonymes and should not appear together.

Such autohost would have some problems though. Like if new people were to play only noelo games they would decrease the balance of the games over time due to them improving while their rating not improving.

The true casual games are vs bots. These problems are hard to fix.



Some before me have suggested elo "seasons" and soft resets of elo with true ranking being preserved and used as seeding of value in season ranking with some cap. Similar system that works in many games, especially mobas. Implementing that mechanism would also help with the casual elo problem - one could just choose to ignore the rating in one season and play "casually", while competing (tryharding) the next season to get the highest possible rank.

Right! Just for the games in question :)

No elos for that 3v4 win now? :( Or was that a win because the other side weren't in try-hard mode because they thought it was no elos?

Now that's it's been raised though, I wondered if the lobsterpot should be a no-elo room all the time though my thoughts evolved pretty rapidly. While I always look in the first instance at my own game for contributions to defeat, it is sometimes the case that it really is the other people and I was actually doing as much as I could to win. It'd certainly be less frustrating knowing I wasn't being punished without recourse due to others on my team.

Of course, the more no-elo games played, the less accurate ratings would be for when people are playing competitively but I feel like that issue could be sidestepped not by hiding WHR or even by flagging games no-elo simply by having the lobsterpot be "pick your side" rather than governed by team balancer. That way, you know what you'd be getting into, and a background WHR calculation could still be done so that when you play competitively, the balancer is still reasonably accurate.

My experience of Istrolid which had casual and competitive rooms was that a lot of the time the good players would split between teams of their own accord to make a more competitive match and if they don't, well, nobody is going to lose much WHR going up against a purple stack and if that purple stack keeps hanging around, people will stop playing with them because it's boring getting faceplanted (cobbled?) again and again. Potentially they split up into small team games (yay!) or someone with a bit of nous makes their own lobsterpot with an upper WHR cap so the purple stack can't bully them anyway. Or everyone moves to an autobalanced room.

The problem isn't WHR, but an auto-balancer running off those scores. Put control of teams back in the hands of players and though the results won't be as mathematically balanced, at least the players know they control the starting conditions of the game instead of thinking "wtf autobalancer" when they see both purples on the other side. If you can see what you're getting, you can also decide if you like it or not, and then be more inclined to move rooms to find the game you do want which may lead to a greater variety of games than we have now.

Let go of performance anxiety, and say fuck it.
That's what I learned helps. Either way you win:

Lose points: get better allies == moar trolling!
Win points: successful troll == engage positive feedback loop

the no-elo option was chosen because there was no way to have a even a remotely balanced game.