Banisher re-role

Mh....i found the "old" Banisher was nice.... dont see a ground for a patch...

One of the problems was that tank raiders needed to trade very well against raiders from other factories due to the lack of a proper riot.

Panthers were tuned to be extra deadly against Scorchers (just barely having enough damage to two hit kill them) since without that there would be little that the tank player could do to really counter Scorchers. This resulted in somewhat undesirable gameplay where tanks could own the map against vehicles with Panthers and force them to play defensive hiding behind Levelers/Slashers/defenses.

With Banisher off the rioty skirm role and firmly in the riot role Panthers don't have to counter Scorchers or other raiders like they needed in the past.

The following change is also related to the Banisher change, it puts Scorcher above Panther's two hit threshold and Glaive above Panthers' one hit threshold without nerfing Panthers against most other things: https://github.com/ZeroK-RTS/Zero-K/commit/dfc50983a77493a562e3351a9cf8a018c6df8c59

Ideally these changes will result in tanks not inhibiting aggressive play from vehicles and other factories as hard while having the tools to deal with it. This Banisher might need further tweaks as players figure out how good or bad it actually is.

These changes also finally give tanks a decent counter to Panthers which will hopefully improve the tank mirror.

[ISP]Lauri

Would've rather moved some power from the Welder's armor into its weapon to make it a riot/con instead of its current assault/con form. Cut its health down to 1200 or something but upgrade its weapon so it makes cost v. scorchers.

panther got damage nerf too...

quote: citing Licho "If it has been working for 2 years already then why change it?"

Because it does not live in a pineapple under the sea.
It lives among other units who had their balance changed a lot during the 2 years and balance is a relative thing.

Nah Anarchid I it was meant to be spontaneus atrocity :F Besides i lost 3 out of 5 these schorchers and it has nothing to do with Banisher. Ha! Counter that argument!

From what I've seen of banishers, I expect shorter range banishers may have a bad tendency of killing each other. On the other hand I don't think they really worked well as skirms anyway, so making them better as riots probably wouldn't hurt.

aeonios you are talking off you ass again since you didn't even try the new banisher -.-
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Its not that Goddamn hard really

The factory does need a proper Scorcher counter, and relying on Panther hasn't really worked (It becomes a monoculture unit if it's that good).

I've always wanted a riotier Kodchi, but the Koda would have to be changed a LOT before it started countering the Scorcher.

I'm not sure a unit as slow and still fairly costly as Banisher will work, but I totally understand Lauri's explaination here, and he knows tank fac. If the factory needs a skirm we can look at re-rolling Pillager a bit since it has tremor, though I know they do very different things.

I always intended Banisher to have flex-AA capacity, BTW, esp vs gunships.

If we really love Panther, Koda, Banisher and Pillager all in their current roles too much (any one of them could be made into a proper, slower, AoE based riot) then we can add another unit. The tank models are easily kitbashed.

Banisher + trollcom rush is b to the r to the utal