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10 years ago
The Sumo used to be very cool but hideously overpowered

now it is pretty weak and not very cool

I think the unit needs a general rethink as does not and never had any synergy with the rest of the factory.

For a start, it would need a dedicated role before we think about weapons/stats - previously it was a jack of all trades killing machine. Now it is a I dont know what. I think it should be weighted no heavier than 1600m given its parent factory has an average weight between 250 - 600.

Any idea re: role for unit, and what it counters and what should counter it?
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Here's an old plan that i've been quoting in every jump thread since:
1) Generate a proper jumpy riot.
2) Abolish Pyro riot capacity, leaving it as raider only (possibly with AH overtone).
3) Make puppies non-suicidal melee unit to work better on naked eco.
4) Abolish jack (replacing it with the riot).
5) Halve Sumo weight and give it a properly inaccurate assaulty weapon (plasma, slow laser, whatever).

There you go. Raiders raid, riots riot, assaults assault. Skirmisher is still missing.
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10 years ago
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4) Abolish jack (replacing it with the riot).



nuuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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10 years ago
Well there's no point having two assaults in one factory, really.

Or is there? I don't think an assault sumo (with no ability to murder E V E R Y O N E) could compete with Jack.
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10 years ago
Sumo with 2 HMG's would be damn cool to be honest
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10 years ago
give sumo the ability to roll down hills, problem solved
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warning: read at your peril.

abolish hills, problem remains. need to jump at whole map to crater new hills to roll again. silly @[FX]drone.
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what we need is a flying sumo lab and a sumo that sings heavy metal

i post this in evry sumo balance thread, but noone does it
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10 years ago
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what we need is a flying sumo lab and a sumo that sings heavy metal

i post this in evry sumo balance thread, but noone does it

best zk video ever made
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10 years ago
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what we need is a flying sumo lab and a sumo that sings heavy metal

i post this in evry sumo balance thread, but noone does it

I remember watching that video when I was still new and being really disappointed when I discovered that the jumpy fac couldn't actually fly.
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10 years ago
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I remember watching that video when I was still new and being really disappointed when I discovered that the jumpy fac couldn't actually fly.


i demand this grave error be remedied
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10 years ago
It does seem prety unreasonable that none of the factories can move
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10 years ago
SUMO has 4 nanos which can repair at 10/ms a second!
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I'd focus on it being pure frontal assault against heavy porc. Not "assault-riot" or whatever. A very specific purpose: The enemy has heavy hyper-dense porc that needs to die. The Sumo may or may not survive the encounter, but the Doomsday almost certainly won't. A punishment for the hubris of thinking that heavy defenses will protect your base.

Now, the undesired stats: stomp reconfigured as a single-target attack with a long range, extremely-long recharge, and a huge hang-time so it's useless except against large buildings or stupidly immobile targets. Like assault/artillery, except the Sumo is the projectile, which lets it go through shields unlike conventional artillery. I guess I just contradicted my "pure assault" by saying "assault artillery" but you know what I mean.

As for the guns? I don't care, something assault-y. Maybe slow Buoy disruptor balls or some kind of light d-gun or something.

This would be pleasantly different from the Jack that does best against low-grade porc and riots and tearing down the enemy eco/comm/whatnot.
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10 years ago
why not just remove its weapons* and give it faster jump cooldown?

*or maybe replace its weapons with very light(10-15 damage) flamers
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10 years ago
replace its weapons with grav guns, ololo
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10 years ago
Make it launch jacks. Problem solved.
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10 years ago
GBrank[GBC]1v0ry_k1ng

Return of the Jugglenaut?
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Call me crazy, but i just had an idea as well!

What if we make the Suma a frikkin giant Dirtbag with only it's stomp attack. It would have a huge model (bigger than it is now) and it could reliably create a save-zone from turrets when it walks straight towards them.

Group of jack/pyro hide behind the Sumo and jump when they get in range.

Whatdayathink?
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10 years ago
GBrankKyubey

Are you sure you'd want a unit that can only attack with manual "jump" orders?
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