Super Units Balance

With the Rafal/GoogleFrog topic about the Det monoculture in FFA, i think it's time to talk about the balance of super units again.

Starlight: DPS 3333 + 150 = 3483; Cost 35k; near 1k DPS for 10k metal.

Zenith: DPS 1429; Cost 30k; that 1k DPS for 20k metal, that only half of
Starlight!

Both have same range and HP, but for the cost Zenith should have 3000 DPS, even if you think is "spread fire" is a advantage (i think the concentrated fire of Starlight is better), a bluff to at least 2500 DPS is need for it to not be so much behind Starlight.


Disco Rave Party, cost 32k, IT NEVER USED, only trolls or noob build it, it NEED HIGH TRAJECTORY like Behemoth.
After that we can talk about balancing it further, if become OP we nerf something, if still weak bluff something else.

Or simply nerf starlight to make others super weapons usefull.

i like zenith more then starlight, cause they are sexy

but 20k zenith seems good

quote: it is unrealistic to build huge walls everywhere in time

lolcannon has in its lolvolver a terrorform bullet, there is no point in walls anyway.

you cannot hide. you cannot flee. lolcannon will find you and kill you.

quote: you cannot hide. you cannot flee. lolcannon will find you and kill you.

Last time i did see one get used it did WORSE that Zenith vs shield spam.

DRP must never get high trajectory option or it would be unstoppable.

Yeah it already have a terraform shot, i just want it to have "LOS" and shot at the place i command it to shot, even if it will not hit that place cause a wall/mountain/etc...

It sux when i command it to shot and it do nothing, at least remove the LOS requirement for it to be able to shot, with time (terraform shot) it will get there anyway.

So why when i order it do shot at some place (inside that range) sometimes it refuse/do nothing?

Any way to force it to "try" and shot even if something in the way?

Test game: http://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/193955 (speed it up cause i set speed in game to 8.0)

No @Saabir, like @Rafal[ZK] and me already say, shieldspam will still "stop" it.
It's probably = or worse that Zenith vs Shieldspam.

Starlight is the best vs shieldspam of the 3.

No, it's not, it's only shot that penetrate is the emp (Blue Shocker), and if you lucky it will only emp 1 or 2 shields was shields spams most of time overlap even the emped one are still protected, so in the end it will still not work.
Also shot are not accurate, it difficult for 2 shot hit same place, and even in the rare case one shield die, it's easy to replaced cause the time between something like that happen again will be very long...
I have see it build there sometimes, it did never work.


If you have see a game where it did work vs shieldspam, plz post replay.