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Spider Factory
Produces Spiders, Builds at 10 m/s
Optimized for rough terrain, the Spider Factory relies primarily on range and maneuverability rather than brute force. Key units: Flea, Recluse, Cudgel, Crabe |
What the hell is a cudgel?
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What do you mean? It's right there. Cudgel. H-e-r-m-i-t. ... Wait, let me try that again.
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should be quote, spider factory the single most unloved factory by the devteam, is currently easily ignorable as opposition to near any ground factory btw, cudgel is the old (and better name) for the assault unit in the factory, hermit
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lol fred... lololoolololololollooloolololoololoooooloolololooollooolooloool olololollololollololllololololollololollolollolollololololololl ollololololollololololollololllollololollolloollollololloolloll lolololollolollolollollolollolololollollollolololollolollolloll ollolollolollolollollololllollololollolollololollolololollololl spider lab is probably the most badass lab in zk
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lol somebody mute this madman :D
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you have never seen me flea spam eat 3 grizlies alive!!! o and fleas can eat banthas! BANTHAS!!!! VENOMS ARE INSANE CLUGELS ARE IMMORTAL RECLUSE ARE HELL ON LEGS AND CRABE IS KING OF TROLOLOLO
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In one of his last games, warlok uses no factory plop and instead makes athena. And djinn. And ultimatum. And kills DDM with LLT. This is to say, strategies that are only enabled by incompetent opposition have no value when discussing balance.
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/me zaps anarchid with a spy and kills with a single flea now back to buisness!
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yes, cudgel is horribly overdue some buffage
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lol a buffed clugel would be lol... its probably the second or third highest hp/cost unit in zk(after the dirtbag and jug)
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Interesting claim; I was skeptical, but that is actually pretty accurate. Some HP/Cost numbers of some assaults: Dirtbag: 32.5 Hermit (Cudgel): 8.75 Jugglenaut: 8.33 Reaper: 8 Jack: 7.7 Ravager: 7.4 Zeus: 6.86 It's a tough nut for its cost, not a damage dealer. I suppose spiders feel a little lacking in dps but then again, you don't really want good dps on all-terrain units anyway.
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yes, it is tough, but thug is tougher. ravager is about 50% more damaging, much faster and more accurate to boot. Zeus has damage output/emp. Reaper has high hp/alpha. What I am saying is that in real game applications, that tiny advantage in cost:HP efficency is far less useful than the regeneration/shield projection of thug, or the speed/dps of ravager, as it has few other useful attributes.
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you don't really want good dps on all-terrain units anyway. |
you mean pyro, jack, sumo?
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As Hermits gain range on high ground I typically use them instead of Recluse(I don't go Spiders unless there are significant hills). On high hills they have roughly the same range as Recluse while they also can take a beating and return for repairs. I shield the venoms with Hermits, stun the enemy raiders and go back to the hills.
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Since we're at it, I always felt confused by how the manual says that assault units are good against static targets. Aren't most of them supposed to be simply a tank? I mean, if something static fights back artillery is generally a better choice, and if it can't fight back then use raiders...
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Sure artillery is better, if you have time and don't fear retaliation. Yes, assault units are supposed to be tankers. It needs tankers to deal with statics' combination of damage and range. Think of Slashers: high range and (a couple revs ago) dps - best countered with assaults.
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Slashers laugh at assaults... :/ I mean, yes, you won't be able to stop the assaults from advancing. But you won't get the slashers killed with them. Not even touched...
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Slashers laugh at assaults... |
Seriously? Wanna prove that? :P
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Dirtbag: 32.5
Hermit (Cudgel): 8.75
Jugglenaut: 8.33
Reaper: 8
Jack: 7.7
Ravager: 7.4
Zeus: 6.86
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You forgot the kings of HP/cost Halberd (closed):16.67 Razor Kisses (closed): 42.86
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I didn't forget; those are kind of special cases because they cannot fire while closed. Or else crabe, which cannot move while closed.
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