Remove Air and Gunships from the game

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Gunships are clearly in better position than they were few patches ago.

Locusts are bit low DPS for their cost, but they make effective raiders if enemy doesn't have tools to respond to fast Locust + Gnat assault. Could potentially still use some tweaks on direction or another.

Gnats are still super good with their stun, making them exellent supports, though for similar results Widow is often better due to its stealth and long stun duration even if it was wiped the second after. Gnats still compete with their response speed.

Harpies can be used as army supports to let slower ground units catch faster enemies by slowing them down. Their accuracy also makes them good at countering small numbers of raiders as long as they manage to land a hit.

Nimbuses are effective brawlers that can melt anything with enough numbers as long as they aren't countered.

Revenants are effective at hunting high priority enemy targets. For their cost they aren't tootanky compared to Ravens if we also take into account their slower speed, but they achieve similar results and the fact that they can reload anywhere makes them really effective if got into enemy back lines and enemy doesn't have air superiority to counter.

Hercules and Charon have their uses for Snitch drops and occasional rushes such as scallop drops. Hercules is also very good at countering Crabs by simply picking them up.

Trident is of course effective AA against Ravens and Swifts.

Blastwings are probably the only GS unit that doesn't have any use proper use besides scouting. It was already questionable before when it managed to work as early raider by killing mexes, but the increased mex health took that away as well. Now it is just unit that can't really aproach any form of defence.



Air on the other hand is more of a specialised assault and support factory. The fast speed makes air units able to react and take advantage from different chances all around the battlefield from killing enemy raiders to bombing strategic targets such as Tremors or just maintaining air superiority to ensure enemy doesn't get to take advantage from holes in AA defences. Especially thunderbird is strong force multiplier in terms of stopping entire enemy assaults or rendering enemy defences vulnerable for assaults.

GS and air are both factories that will eventually get shut down by AA as game goes on, and that is fine. The existence of GS or air will force enemy to spend metal on AA which is metal taken away from ground units. The mobile nature of air units also forces enemy to cover their entire frontline with AA because otherwise you can still harass the unprotected flanks.

quote: the AA will eat even a licho alive (i have never seen these make cost at the 2k price)

You cannot have watched very many games then.

It's true that in the lategame when there is lots of AA around bombers become more useful for defence (where most of your opponent's AA cannot reach). Owl and Swift remain useful at pretty much all stages for scouting.

I regard "forcing the opponent to make way more AA than my planes cost, then switching" as a good investment.

I couldn't speak much about Gunship having rarely played it at any point whether it was good or not.

quote: 2 RK will kill a licho during its bombing run easily, 1 will take it out of commission for 2 minutes to repair

Two Razors will only kill a Likho if the Likho flies directly over them and through their entire firing circle twice. This is not a frequent occurence. Far more often the Likho dips into their firing range briefly to bomb a target and takes little to no damage. Razors are piss poor offensively against bombers; they are only problematic at all for planes because they are difficult to kill.

quote: sorry that will not make cost vs anything tougher then raiders, and you need to kill a lot of raiders

2k damage is sufficient to kill things considerably tougher than raiders in one shot. I have no idea why you could possibly think this statement is true, Likho has never been the tool of choice against raiders at any point. Artillery and shieldballs are good targets (although you have to be a bit more cautious against Felons than in days past).

quote: you are on a nostalgia trip if you think its still effective outside really niche circumstance

No, I'm remembering several games I played in the last week.

You are fundamentally misinformed.

quote: who puts their artillery in front of their porc?

That's not the right question. The right question is "Who puts their artillery in places where it can be Likho'd?" to which the answer is "plenty of people, including those of high rank on occasion".

Likho always required time and energy to repair. These days it requires a bit more. I think it's still fundamentally a usable unit. The several demonstrably untrue things you have said about Likho lead me to believe that you don't know something I don't and that you are just ill informed about it.

quote: just by pure DPS

There has never been a point in time at which "pure DPS" was a useful way to assess the utility of bombers.

If anybody else is taking your arguments seriously I can discuss it with them, but I think at this point talking to you is a waste of effort.

Why would you want to remove air? Have you not tried the glorious strategy of spamming ravens and likhos?

Airplanes can't be under-powered and ruining the game at the same time. Those positions are contradictory.

We have people screaming at people for not building air, not the other way around. Having too many air is bad because land units should still be the main portion of the army. Air is support that can't win alone, but can definitely pay itself back by taking out high priority targets or forcing enemy to build AA units that can't defend themselves against ground troops.

The reason why people don't want noobs to build air is simply because playing air is not easy. Ass a factory, playing air needs different skill set compared to ground factories. You need to have sense of map control to react to the openings in enemy AA or enemy assaults. A bad air player can also simply act as metal donation if he ends up getting his units killed by enemy AA.