Lose starting cons and half the base to 2 pyros, lose Goliath trying to chase a Firewalker, bomb puppies, bomb AA, win?

At least you know how to micro Pyro :D

This looked really winnable.

Wow Welders, unless kited, beat Pyro for cost (they win in a "fair" fight and cost the same).

quote: I thought welders were supposed to beat an equal cost in raiders now. That was the change, right?

The actual posts i've read said "beat 1 scorcher reliably". Beating raiders for cost sounds terrifying.

quote: was pretty happy with the pyros work against them

They have a very short range superiority and are more maneuverable, so in theory they can kill Welders very well - perhaps even better than 4 glaives. Now i'm thinking whether Scorchers can also kill Welders for free by circling around at edge of Welder range.

Probably not: Scorcher has 270 range vs Welder's 240 (woah), so it wil be shooting at (1-240/270) of its 300 dps, which gives us 30 damage per second against Welder's 2k hp... more than a minute of slow cooking. Though i guess once it's half cooked the Scorcher can dive in and finish what it started.

But Welder also can make a Lotus in just 12 seconds, and after the Lotus is online the Scorcher has no hope left. The fastest a Scorcher can kill a Welder is in 6 seconds of point blank firing, so it has at most 6 seconds of slow cooking available, for meager 180 damage, barely 10% of welder's HP...

Pyros don't have this damage falloff and actually do bonus damage to welder's huge colvol, they're like the best raider here. Certainly better than the 250m Scythe!

quote: I am not really sure any of these actually outrange it on a functional level

Watching you micro them in the replay it felt like just a bit more control accuracy and it would have been free cooking. There were several consecutive seconds of Pyro firing at a Welder one-way.

I guess that's impractical to expect full free kills, but i'd settle for actually killing the Welder in one go in the first place.

I guess I can sign up for JJ on few suitable maps of my choice.

Around minute 12:55, in RyMarq base, a Puppy fires to Swift, fails and then lands again.
Is this intended?

You can do this manually using force-fire to scale cliffs or evade shots (a micro'd puppy can kill a defender this way).