Unit ideas

Hacker could be kind of like Dominatrix only it kills econ.

I was not sure about Hacker your right it is probably a bad idea.

The reason I thought that it should be a Kamikaze boat. Is because otherwise it maybe to good especially vs. hovers / commander and battleships. You would need to kill a sub with torpedoes but torpedoes are slow firing. Therefore, Kamikaze sub would have to be more expense. Where as a boat can be killed even by cheap defenders.

> You could possible split sea into ships and boats.
What do you mean by that?

Because I always forget here are the roles:
Con Ship
Missile Scout
Fast EMG Raider
Torp Ship
Vanilla Sub
Arty-anti sub
Floating Banisher
Sniper Sub
Tacnuke Sub
Carrier
4 floating Pillagers
2 Razor's Kiss

12 units which is the limit of the build menu. It's a bit of a pain that the UI has started to limit things like this. Although it could be said that 13 units in a factory highlights a design issue regardless.

Where do you draw the boat-ship line? The two units in the grey zone are 'Arty-anti sub' and 'Floating Banisher'. If you put them in boats you have a fleshed out boat factory and a ship factory less startable than Mech-Athena. If you put them in ship it takes vital roles from boat and you still have a ship factory less startable than Mech-Athena.

Here is my idea that encompasses a few other things too.

• Remove Mechs from Athena, those are units that only Athena can build.
• Remove Tacnuke Sub, Carrier and 4 floating Pillagers from sea factory.
• Add a mech hub nano turret style factory, let it float. It can build large ships and mechs.

I'm unsure about Sniper Sub, it only costs 2k so I am unsure where it should go.

This brings Ships down to 9 units. We could add Kaze Ship and Outlaw Sub and even have room to re-add surfboard.

I was thinking something along the line of heavy / light vehicle. Mech hub nano turret style factory could also work. It would need to have as much HP as a factory.

-Ships-
Mariner
Enforcer
Serpent
Warlord
Reef
Leviathan
Heavy anti air-flack ship (New unit)
Kraken riot sub (New unit)
Hunter

-Boats-
Mariner
Skeeter
Shredder
Crusader
Snake
Typhoon
Kamizaki Boat (New unit)
Jump Jet boat with Lightning Gun can jump from sea to sea (New unit)

Crusader would need to get a anti sub boost.

I guess if you where ships the first thing you would build would be a torp launcher then a Kraken then a Hunter and porc.

Should read

Kraken + Hunter vs Typhoon + Snake

Enforcer vs Crusader

Defender vs Kamizaki Boat

Crusader can't be buffed to beat Snake it already almost does everything.

With Ships no raiding = lose game.

Perhaps an underwater puppy then?

this mobile newton can't be a ship as ships are not affected (silly)

or it is only capable to attract/push light units < 2000metal and have visible effects of gravity-counter-engines.

hovers or amphs would be possible, but needs to be attracted/pushed by it's own too.

They need much HPs or >1000/>1500 metal to explain, while they don't get affected too much by the recoil with this kind of weapon equiped.

I've always fantasized about having two different shipyards, based on the MaxDepth tag. Sadly, it wouldn't work with existing maps, which goes against a central tenet of ZK, so it ain't gonna happen.

The two labs would be analogous to "vehicle" and "tank", but really the intent would be having a lab you can balance against land units and a second lab that just says "f*ck you, I'm a boat" and is totally OP against hovers and land units.

Basically, ship fac and boat fac.

Boats can go in any water, no matter how shallow, and have very long build-ranges ranges and a heavy emphasis on high trajectory artillery and raiders, allowing them a good ability to affect the land. They would have amphibious attack robots instead of hovers (make these bots available to Athena if you want to use them in a land game). They're units you can bring out on a "land" map that has lots of shallow rivers.

Ships are more like the current shipyard with a bit of a worse depth tolerance, and without the scout boat. The only real way to make this work on existing maps would require an engine extension - have a "slopemod" like tag for shallow depths that means that these deep-hull ships can travel over shallower waters but move terribly slowly.