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Title: [A] Teams All Welcome
Host: Nobody
Game version: Zero-K v1.7.8.0
Engine version: 104.0.1-1333-gce618bd
Battle ID: 754674
Started: 5 years ago
Duration: 67 minutes
Players: 29
Bots: False
Mission: False
Rating: Casual
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5 years ago
Please ban DErankRainbow33 for a few days. He needs a Zero-K vacation. He constantly reclaimed my resurrecting Bertha almost making us lose the game because of that.
+0 / -0

5 years ago
In the end, we lost the game because our zenith was being rezed
+1 / -0
Recorded my gameplay with commentary on youtube:




Remarks: Zenith kills Zenith and it ends in a small draw.
I get frustrated over DErankRainbow33 for reclaiming my bertha for like 5-6 minutes.
+1 / -0
The same shit did USrankMrGreen8 - lost us this game in the end
I guess at least several players apart from me reported him
Nothing done

From this point on I'm not even slightly care about outcome of zk cluster battles. I just do what I find fun and resign as soon as it becomes slightly less fun. ESrankmoepmoep 's way
Each time u play to win in cluster battle u just bring needless suffering to uself, cuz trolls gonna ruin it anyway, one way or another.
+1 / -0
I don't usually want stuff when it comes to gaming. But right now I just want to be some kind of admin just to ban these kind of players for a few days. It's nothing personal but they just ruin the gameplay of other people. I mean it's ok if you don't play well but when you intentionally do harm to your team that is bad.

Where do I sign up for an admin :D? I want it so I can be the police who always takes care of these problematic situations.
+0 / -0
There is not always an admin (let alone the several required for multiple perspectives on an ambiguous case) available to review a complicated hour long game promptly.

With respect to DErankRainbow33:

We are unconvinced that DErankRainbow33 originally set out to harm their team; the reclaiming constructors were given a fairly large area-reclaim order and the player's attention was occupied holding the front line. By the end the constructor being moved away after being Faradayed indicates they were probably aware then. However this moment comes after about six kick votes and a litany of abuse. DErankRainbow33 has no prior reports or moderation history. A warning will be issued.

With respect to USrankMrGreen8:

Given that several players believed the best course of action was to assist USrankMrGreen8 in building the DRP, and at most five players were vocally against reclaiming the Zenith, there is insufficient cause to think that USrankMrGreen8 was trying to troll or harm his team. No action will be taken.

A fair bit of the language directed at both of these players in-game was quite unbecoming. We don't intend to action any of it but do try to be less abusive in future. It does not, as a general rule, improve the situation.

The question of whether rezzers or reclaimers should have priority is difficult to establish a reasonable general rule for.
+6 / -0
5 years ago
Thank you AUrankAdminAquanim for your response. I never intended to kick or do some wrong to DErankRainbow33. I tried several times to make him pay attention. What could have been the best approach there? Was it my fault to be that insistent? How would you behave in my case ?
+0 / -0
I can understand a single kick vote after failing to get his attention in any other way but the subsequent kick votes served little purpose. Insulting him when he moved the com away can hardly have encouraged him to move the other constructor. (I'm not positive this was you without watching the replay again but there was definitely an offensive marker placed on his com at that time.)

Neutralising the reclaimers with Newton/Faraday/Lobster/etc. earlier doesn't seem like a bad idea. If the reclaimer deliberately avoids such a thing then another kick vote with that new information is appropriate.

These measures are a bit of a waste of metal but in a 15v15 on Icy Run I would not be too concerned about such inefficiencies.
+1 / -0
It was me who wrote " Stupid Player" I have no issues telling the truth and I take full responsibility for the word. The problem now is...it's ok to make troll tactic to stop players that don't listen to you?

To expand what you said: "Neutralising the reclaimers with Newton/Faraday/Lobster/etc. earlier doesn't seem like a bad idea"
So from now on I can :
1. Neutralize ally commander if I know he suicides and I will capture it with vindicator.
2. Reclaim what he makes because he's wasting team's metal.
3. Make terraform to block his base because he spams snipers all game to counter fleas.
4. Hmm what else...let me think, oh wait we have tons of these examples.

Problem is AUrankAdminAquanim, if we do the troll tactic against trolls/people not paying attention how can we be better than them?

If you agree on giving me the freedom to stop bad tactic from ever getting a solid ground into the game I can easily do that :)
+0 / -0

5 years ago
quote:
it's ok to make troll tactic to stop players that don't listen to you?

To expand what you said: "Neutralising the reclaimers with Newton/Faraday/Lobster/etc. earlier doesn't seem like a bad idea"
So from now on I can :
1. Neutralize ally commander if I know he suicides and captures it with vindicator.
2. Reclaim what he makes because he's wasting team's metal.
3. Make terraform to block his base because he spams snipers all game to counter fleas.
4. Hmm what else...let me think, oh wait we have tons of these examples.

Pushing the constructors a player is presumably unaware of a little way away from the Bertha without significantly damaging them is not particularly harmful to their game experience.

All of the things in your list significantly harm your teammates' individual freedom to act and game experience.

They are not reasonably comparable.
+4 / -0
But what about my freedom :(. I wanted to resurrect the building I made :(. Nevermind I was just trolling. I understand your point of view, I forgive DErankRainbow33 for what he did no matter if he was aware/unaware. Now I will ask for his forgiveness by marking him "Stupid player".

It's clear that he is a bit new to the game, but if this kind of actions will come from experienced players I won't behave nicely if admin actions are not taken against him :D.
+1 / -0
For as far as I can remember, the general rule has always been that wrecks belong to nobody in particular. So if your bertha is being reclamed faster than you can rez it, too bad for you. You should have kept it alive in the first place.
+1 / -0

5 years ago
I disagree with you, CHrankConnetable
+1 / -0

5 years ago
I think the main distinction between CHrankConnetable's general rule and this situation is that in this instance the team clearly indicated they would prefer the Bertha not to be reclaimed.
+2 / -0