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i just spoke to licho by the recomdation of saski and when ask if the admin have to follow rules he said there are no rules (first i do understand the code of conduct still aplies) but when it come to admins powers there are no rules pertaining to this.
should there be an overiding force for admins when they refuse to see there own errors????
i am not looking for your admins opinions as i allredy know what there opinions are( and im sure everyone else does too) |
"Skasi told me to talk to licho, so i did. I asked if there were specific rules that admins had to follow on top of the code of conduct that everyone else has to follow. This was not the case. The admins have no rules to govern how to use their powers.
I wonder if the admins should have rules, so they are limited in how they can respond to situations by a predetermined amount.
However, i only want to hear what the players have to say, not what the admins have to say, because in my mind i already know what they are going to say."
My personal response to this, is that the admins are probably picked based on who is trustworthy. Whoever picks admins trusts them to do their job, and trusts them to make the right decisions. I am not sure if any admins have lost their admin status, but that would probably be the repercussion they'd face for abusing that trust.
It would be pointless to add a bunch of hardcoded rules to what admins can do. What if the rule was "If someone spams, kick them", and then someone spammed so much that a ban was needed? The admin would be breaking the rule if he banned in that situation. It is better to have admins rule by common sense, and then pick admins you can trust, rather than codify all admin conduct.
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i've made my point. but you choose not to do any thing. i dont see admins making a best effort on my behalf. i see admins making a best effort on the behlf of admins. and like i told licho. he just lost a player.
bann me if you like. and you say thats why your the best gaming sites first this applies to team liquid not zero-k but if you did apply it. your player base does not support this acusation of the best. and you will loose more player too becuase of this issue im sure there have been others and well you keep that stuff quiet im sure. but you have lost a player now. if admins have no rule they have no acountabilty. plain and simple!!
oh and spring if you runing this site is the us you are required by law the fredom of speach and if you try to stop fredom of speach then well the government steps in does it not?? if your not operating in the us then yes your crect you dont have to cater to free speach. teamliquids code say they try.and i bet they do. but doesn't apply here. you are trying the excact opposite. |
"I have already said everything I have wanted to say. However, the response to this has been too slow to arrive for my tastes. I don't see admins agreeing with me, I am only seeing them agree with other admins, so I am leaving as has been previous communicated to licho on a private channel that you were not privy to.
I am in agreement that you can ban me at any moment, and I am powerless to stop you. Also, despite never claiming you were, Zero-K is not Teamliquid and you cannot compare an apple that has been proven to be tasty to one that has not been tasted. Also I pretend to speak for the entire playerbase when I say you suck, and I believe I am correct in assuming that others have left before me and others will leave after me as a result, and that there is ongoing labour to cover this fact up. I intend to leave Zero-K over the fact that admins are in charge and there is nobody high enough that I can complain to.
If licho is running the spring site from the US he is obliged to hold up free speech [comment by translator: this is not true in any sense], if you are in violation of this the government of the united states has a specialized division to police the internet for breaches of free speech occuring on sites based in the US. Needless to say this of course does not apply if this site is not hosted in the US.
A completely unrelated website states that they try to uphold free speech, however i am convinced you are stifling it purposefully."
I'm not even sure how to comment on this beyond some minor translational bias.
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first i spoke to licho he is the creator owner of the server is he not?? like i told him he lost a player. every one makes mistake. not just newbS, not just experienced, not just me, not just you, NOT JUST THE ADMINS!!!
WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES!!
and licho just told me admins are free to do what they want becuase he has no inttnetions of corecting any mistake made by the admins of this game. so go wild admins the only thing you have to follow is the code of conduct. if you wish to use your admin powers go ahead. as there is not any rule regarding your powers of admins!! |
"At first I proceeded to communicate with the highest level of organization i could find. I personally communicated my grievances to him. I particularly emphasized the flawed nature of the human race, and how everyone contributing to this community is a member of the human race, and thus flawed.
Then Licho responded in such a way as to lead me to interpret it as giving admins free reign over the community, placing his trust in them fully.
The best of luck to all admins, you are bound only by the same rules that bind any other member of the community. You are free to administrate this community, as there are no rules limiting your functionality."
Vulte, if everyone makes mistakes, why is this such a big deal to you? You got banned. You can be forgiven for what you did, and return to the community and function like normal. If the admin made a minor mistake, could that admin then not also be forgiven and return to his duties like normal?
