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What should spider do against massed cloaked puppies?

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20 months ago
Or really what does anything do against massed cloaked puppies? Seems impossible to attack into. ok "fleas" but what if they have two lotus towers or something or just set them on hold fire.
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20 months ago
If they have massed cloaked Puppies, that only work when fighting near Lotus, then maybe your opponent has spent enough for you to have a Crab. Otherwise, you could spread out with Lotus and take more of the map. Puppy cannot actually kill Lotus without making a loss.
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20 months ago
If the puppies all hit - as the iris permits - then they trade equally against lotuses and almost equally against shielded crabs. If they are then able to use puppy goo, they make cost against lotus and crabs.
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cloaked puppy is definitely really brutal and extremely hard to deal with. Puppys cannot make cost against lotus, but they don`t need to kill ALL the lotus you spread around the map. Just the ones that are on the way to your factory...

I would assume you should switch into shields and make snitches or maybe even cloaked snitches. cloak is often a good counter for cloak.
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20 months ago
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If the puppies all hit - as the iris permits - then they trade equally against lotuses

Ah so they do. I thought they cost 50 for some reason.

I'm still not quite sure about the question. If it is impossible to attack into massed cloaked Puppy then just don't attack into them for the moment. When it becomes time to attack them switch into something (such as Crab) that can.
  • Put the Crab on a small spire.
  • Have the Crab kill the Lotus from outside range.
  • Put some Lotus or Redback nearby, with Fleas out front.
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Nevermind.
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Or really what does anything do against massed cloaked puppies? Seems impossible to attack into. ok "fleas" but what if they have two lotus towers or something or just set them on hold fire.


Hermits make a good puppy sponge, takes 200m of puppy to kill 160m of hermit assuming 100% puppy hits
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20 months ago
...and assuming the hermits manage to be where the (cloaked) puppies are.
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20 months ago
Ground fire suspected areas from a safe distance with (guarded by redback or 2) recluses. Get this information using whatever unit you would like to sacrifice. It's not work that you can 100% confirm the results of but if you're aiming into the correct area, you'll be taking out puppies and forcing the opponent into their next move - be it retreat or advance.
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20 months ago
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Ground fire suspected areas from a safe distance with (guarded by redback or 2) recluses. Get this information using whatever unit you would like to sacrifice. It's not work that you can 100% confirm the results of but if you're aiming into the correct area, you'll be taking out puppies and forcing the opponent into their next move - be it retreat or advance.

Sounds like something doable using sweepfire widget, but with a Recluse. Brutal.
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20 months ago
In before new widgets forces all rapid fire weapons on non-cloaked units to fire constantly.
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20 months ago
Do mass flea spam. Flea is cheaper then puppy.
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There are some ways to solve this with spiders, but its probably better to just get a second fac. Firewalker can clear puppy swarms very efficiently, and halberd on hold fire can tank about twice its cost in puppies.

You could also have recluses follow a little behind the flea swarms and have then shot the llts when they reveal themselves. Add a venon or two for protection in case the puppies decide to rush.
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