Spiders are weak on flat maps

play interesting maps instead

climber factory has fastest and cheapest scouter.

quote: play interesting maps instead

Rather just add more players to the flap maps so that the disadvantages in head-on-flat-battle matter less because Commanders and turrets fill everything and then put Crab on terra throne.

Spiders weak on flat maps? At least they are still playable.

Try vehicles or tanks on super hilly maps. Now that is bad.

It's almost like factory choice is map dependent :o Who would've thought!

Ive thought that a map should not just flat out make a factory unplayabe. If there are too many hills and tanks can't path its simply just a bad map and should be unfeatured.

Ravaged is what I would consider a good map. All factories are playable there. Spiders/jump get to use their factory gimmick without making other factories non-viable.

In other news:

Slow units are weak on large maps.

Adv radar is weak on small maps.

Ships are weak on land maps.

Windgen is weak on low maps.

Direct fire units are weak on jagged maps.

Metric units are weak on elmo maps.

Is there any particularly good reason why spiders should not be weak on flat maps?

Can spiders be good on flat maps without being hilariously broken on mixed maps?

(Pretty sure the answer is no to both.)

[Spoiler]

The analogy between amph/hover and spider is not nearly as good as many people seem to think it is.

- The advantage of amph/hover in fighting from small bodies of water is much more dubious than the advantage spider gets when it fights from a hill. At worst, a few Urchins nullifies any advantage Amph gets from being able to submerge in puddles, and you can just shoot at any Hover units on a puddle. A Crabe on a mountain, on the other hand, is nearly impossible to dislodge without a lot of expense.

- Amph is in fact not as good as bot factories on pure land maps (and is certainly much less flexible). Hover is similarly less flexible and generally has more fragile strategies when compared to lveh.

- Hills that are relevant to spider are much more common than puddles that are relevant to hover/amph.


Also, Spider is playable on a wide range of maps; there are degrees to hilliness. I don't understand why anybody would even want Spider to be good on Comet maps or what have you.

quote: you should try spamming moar terraform all over the flat map! \o/

there is a widget for that:

quote: - Amph is in fact not as good as bot factories on pure land maps (and is certainly much less flexible). Hover is similarly less flexible and generally has more fragile strategies when compared to lveh.

In my experience Amph generally beats Cloaky by a solid margin. That is, you can win Cloaky vs Amph, but you'll be fighting at a disadvantage, much like if you play Spider vs Cloaky on a large enough flat map.