Battle 902175 detail

Title:	3v3 or FFA
Host:	RedEagle_P1
Game version:	Zero-K v1.8.5.2
Engine version:	104.0.1-1510-g89bb8e3
Battle ID:	902175
Started:	3 years ago
Duration:	38 minutes
Players:	7
Bots:	False
Mission:	False
Rating:	None

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dyth68

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rewdrfe2

bbar97

Team 3

Whoisthisguy

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RedEagle_P1

Melkiyon

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NorthChileanG

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dyth68 3 years ago I still don't know of a proper counter to Merlin spam. The only all-terrain assault is the Hermit and that has too little HP to attack a ball (AoE is a killer), along with being too slow. Knights are far too slow. Maybe a big Thug+Aspis ball (though that has fairly cheap counters in the form of cloaked snitches, charonned snitches, cloak-lobbed-snitches and skirmishers)? Nah, just tried that in sandbox. You'd need to go all-in with a force that is only slightly smaller than the Merlin ball. I guess in theory Tremors+heavy shields would work, but that's very specialized so it will get eaten by everything except a Merlin ball, takes quite a while to work (giving the enemy time to retreat, replan or counter) and doesn't work at all until it suddenly does (so you won't be doing any attrition damage and there's no point in a half-done Tremor+shield ball). +0 / -0
Senaven 3 years ago Supported artillery is most powerful thing in ZK. Ravager ball could be enough speed to deal with merlins if they aren't too much supported. But it works also only on flat ground. Scorpions sou;d work if not area screen. Unit drops. Like jacks maybe. Of flat map could work maybe lance + cloaker + bolas. They should be fast enough to shoot and evade. But merlin with cloaker is way too strong in many situation. Then need even more paladins then merlins to counter such spam. +0 / -0

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dyth68

3 years ago

I still don't know of a proper counter to Merlin spam.
The only all-terrain assault is the Hermit and that has too little HP to attack a ball (AoE is a killer), along with being too slow. Knights are far too slow.

Maybe a big Thug+Aspis ball (though that has fairly cheap counters in the form of cloaked snitches, charonned snitches, cloak-lobbed-snitches and skirmishers)?
Nah, just tried that in sandbox. You'd need to go all-in with a force that is only slightly smaller than the Merlin ball.

I guess in theory Tremors+heavy shields would work, but that's very specialized so it will get eaten by everything except a Merlin ball, takes quite a while to work (giving the enemy time to retreat, replan or counter) and doesn't work at all until it suddenly does (so you won't be doing any attrition damage and there's no point in a half-done Tremor+shield ball).

+0 / -0

Senaven

3 years ago

Supported artillery is most powerful thing in ZK.
Ravager ball could be enough speed to deal with merlins if they aren't too much supported. But it works also only on flat ground.
Scorpions sou;d work if not area screen.
Unit drops. Like jacks maybe.
Of flat map could work maybe lance + cloaker + bolas. They should be fast enough to shoot and evade.
But merlin with cloaker is way too strong in many situation. Then need even more paladins then merlins to counter such spam.

+0 / -0

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