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[quote] On narrow maps, cloakies can do Tick+Glaives. Otherwise there's nothing they can really do vs tanks.[/quote]
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[quote] On narrow maps, cloakies can do Tick+Glaives. Otherwise there's nothing they can really do vs tanks.[/quote]
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I don't think this is quite so. My perception of this matchup is that while it is quite asymmetric, there's a lot for both sides to do.
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I don't think this is quite so. My perception of this matchup is that while it is quite asymmetric, there's a lot for both sides to do.
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- Kodachi wrecks Glaives. Panther too, to an extent. Cloakies cannot really raid as much they do in the "conventional" matchups. This is similar to their Hover and Amph matchup.
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- Kodachi wrecks Glaives. Panther too, to an extent. Cloakies cannot really raid as much they do in the "conventional" matchups. This is similar to their Hover and Amph matchup.
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- Tanks lack a scout unit. While their raiders can respond to Glaives, they cannot screen for Scythes and rarely can respond in time to catch a Scythe before it slips away. This makes even a threat of Scythe use necessitate a lot of static defense on their parts. And by "a lot" i mean that one Lotus per mex cluster does nothing vs Scythe, you need at least two.
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- Tanks lack a scout unit. While their raiders can respond to Glaives, they cannot screen for Scythes and rarely can respond in time to catch a Scythe before it slips away. This makes even a threat of Scythe use necessitate a lot of static defense on their parts. And by "a lot" i mean that one Lotus per mex cluster does nothing vs Scythe, you need at least two.
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- This is slightly compensated by Welders being awesome and very hard to kill. A single Scythe may not be sufficient.
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- This is slightly compensated by Welders being awesome and very hard to kill. A single Scythe may not be sufficient.
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- Cloaky has no good antiheavy option. This makes Reaper stronger and stronger as the game progresses because Cloaky doesn't have reliable means to kill it before it goes back to base, having done its damage. Spectres barely scratch the Reaper.
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- Cloaky has no good antiheavy option. This makes Reaper stronger and stronger as the game progresses because Cloaky doesn't have reliable means to kill it before it goes back to base, having done its damage. Spectres barely scratch the Reaper.
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- Spectres, however, *do* scratch the lesser tanks so hard that they are cut in half. Sometimes this creates situations when Reapers are left uncovered and can be Glaived, but in practice see the part about Kodachi wrecking Glaives. A Kodachi sitting behind the Reaper wall and waiting for the Glaives to come completely negates the "shoot banisher, then raid reapers" scenario if the tank player is competent.
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- Spectres, however, *do* scratch the lesser tanks so hard that they are cut in half. Sometimes this creates situations when Reapers are left uncovered and can be Glaived, but in practice see the part about Kodachi wrecking Glaives. A Kodachi sitting behind the Reaper wall and waiting for the Glaives to come completely negates the "shoot banisher, then raid reapers" scenario if the tank player is competent.
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- A single Tick makes cost against a single Kodachi. Kodachis are arrogant and like to singlehandedly attack mexes, which makes for some nice trap opportunities.
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- A single Tick makes cost against a single Kodachi. Kodachis are arrogant and like to singlehandedly attack mexes, which makes for some nice trap opportunities.
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- Banishers seem terrifying against Warriors, Glaives and Zeus, but actually are vulnerable to Rocko like a proper riot should be. And Spectre scratches them off in almost one shot.
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- Banishers seem terrifying against Warriors, Glaives and Zeus, but actually are vulnerable to Rocko like a proper riot should be. And Spectre scratches them off in almost one shot.
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By the time Tank really can leverage its strength - the Cloaky player should be able to either build up a fair advantage as long as they don't spend all their military budget on feeding Kodachis with Glaives; or at least to facswitch into something that can deal with Reaper. Like Scalpel.
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By the time Tank really can leverage its strength - the Cloaky player should be able to either build up a fair advantage as long as they don't spend all their military budget on feeding Kodachis with Glaives; or at least to facswitch into something that can deal with Reaper. Like Scalpel.
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Or
you
could
just
start
Hover
and
spam
Scalpel
from
the
get-go.
Because
Scalpel
counters
Kodachi,
Panther,
Banisher
and
Reaper
all
by
itself,
as
well
as
coming
from
a
factory
that
squarely
roflstomps
Cloaky.
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Or
you
could
just
start
Hover
and
spam
Scalpel
from
the
get-go.
Because
Scalpel
counters
Kodachi,
Panther,
Banisher
and
Reaper
all
by
itself,
as
well
as
coming
from
a
factory
that
squarely
roflstomps
anything
else
you
would
expect
to
encounter
on
a
map
which
allows
Tanks.
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