New players training/smurf reduction

People have talked about this before, and apparently it would reduce player numbers. The problem is that people whine about nubs but don't want to do anything about it. Whenever I do !move Platinum everyone votes no. The nubs should learn in 1v1 but they don't want to, they pile into the 10v10 room like everyone else and get raged at while learning nothing. If people want better trained nubs they should encourage 1v1.

I don't think smurfs are really a problem as they never last long before being banned.

=.= not this again

ill put it simply
whenever you lose its not the nubs fault, its yours

you did not single handedly slay the whole enemy team thus you are a failure

remember that, also i wouldnt have even picked up zk if it had a 12 MINUTE tutorial let alone a 120 minute(ie 2hr) long one...

quote: Just gotta be more friendly and helpful to new players in the teams room. Can't be so hard.

You would think so, but for a lot of people it seems to be asking too much.

I was no complaining about loosing and I am always trying to help many times with moderate success (when I don't get killed myself :P). I am just saying that people could probably learn better if they are guided properly and have time, not if they need to read 1 message written by someone who is doing a lot of other things. Yes, you can try to explain, yes, you can help them, but in the end, the smaller the map the faster they loose and they do not get why...

Kyubey: You give yourself as an example, but how many players gave up spring because they did not know how to play it and got frustrated by being killed fast? Given the numbers of players is rather constant but I have always seen beginners, I can imagine, that the retention ratio is rather small. Next thing you will tell me is that the "unlocks" system is bad because a newbie can not make a bantha...

In my view the biggest problems with tutorials (imposed or not) is the fact that anyhow they are not many available and somebody has to make them.

Yes, I think most newbies do not read the manual. And I was thinking about an alternative to this. I would say that for many people playing a tutorial is better than reading a manual.

I understand that you prefer reading a manual than playing a tutorial. Is that correct or I misunderstood you?

yay, I guess someone deserves a cookie..

I agree with Saktoth. Having a good tutorial is the logical first step. Only once we agree that it is good and useful, we can talk about making it mandatory.

Also, we shouldn't value Kyubey's opinion too highly. This proposition is meant to help make the game more enjoyable for everyone, which is diametrically opposed to his interests.