Cause all strongest player trolling by join same clan and now they always placed in same team. In "teams:all welcome" must be !balance autobalancer, not !cbalance
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They get crappier teammates to balance that out. Too huge of an elo difference also forces non-clan balance.
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>They get crappier teammates to balance that out thats not working, they still win all time
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Winning all the time = infinte elo. Where are all the people who have gotten 2500 or 3000 elo with clanstacking? Nah they still in the end win 50% of the games. Doesn't mean that having cooperation in a team won't help, it will probably help a player get some extra elo due to better performance, but soon the winrates will even up.
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brroleg yesterday i lost like 9-10 games in a row...you serious about what you sayid here?Thing again.And i had like 2250 elo, now i am at 2150
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1st game is Speedmetal, elo doesn't matter that much here, anything can happen. 2nd game is Speedmetal too, also there is no clanstack as Saabir got split to the opposite team. 3rd game is EPIC STACK, without any doubt. 4th is kinda stacked too. 5th is same link as 4th. 6th is a troll map, also there is no clanstack present at all.
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brroleg officiall mean clan hater.Join the Imperial Sandwich clan
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How is being teamed with Saandro, below average 1410 elo player, any advantage? Now about your links: * 1th: there is clanstack but the team also contains a stack of total newbies, while the enemy team has average players at least. * 2th: again the same, clanstack is teamed with some total newbies, while the enemy team has average players and some high elo ones too like Ivica and Sfireman. * 3rd is a troll game in Takeover mode with Starlights all over the map. * 4th is again a troll game, this time with nuke silos all over the map. Also the teams are pretty well balanced. Enemy has some of the best players like GoogleFrog and Skasi. * 5th again seems balanced, enemy has top players Burp and Skasi.
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>clanstack but the team also contains a stack of total newbies, while the enemy team has average players at least. this only shows that nubstack cant balance clanstack
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No, it shows that a few players cooperating beats individuals. That's completely natural. The only point i see in this topic is that the elo of clan players will be somewhere in between the elo of them stacking all the time and the elo of them playing "alone". This means they get overrated by the matcher in games without stacks and underrated (depending on how much they play outside of clanstacks) otherwise. I don't think anybody doubts clanmates playing together have a better chance of winning than individual players of similar elo (see above). It's not that the latter can't, it's that they're less likely to cooperate as much. This is nothing the current elo system is to blame for. It simply means players will vary (a lot) in how well they perform (as in how much more likely they make victory). They basically have two different elos (as in win rate estimations), one for the clanstack and one for solo, which get merged together in one elo. Similar to how trolls can play on two different levels.
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>it will probably help a player get some extra elo due to better performance, but soon the winrates will even up. yes, soon. But for now team games completely unplayable for not troll clan members. Now you see clan stack = you resign. Imaging new player comes now and go playing to teams all welcome. He's nub, and there is sign "all welcome", seems fair for him. But instead of fair game he got steamrolled by clanstack, which for now does not got propper elo and autobalancer underrates them. Yes soon they will got propper elo, but that new player already uninstalled this game and told all his friends zero-k sucks. Just switch to non-clan balance for all welcome room. No one will be hurted. High elo players as usual will be placed in different teams and have fair game. If they want clan-battle, they go to exp room, invite other clan there and have fun with their uneven game.
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Newplayers find themselfs many times in clanstacks so theres no point to mention nabs will suffer and burn.Uneven game....why i dont see more admins and dev telling that clan stack its uneven.CLanstack bring a great deal of joy, and that of cooperating players in a team, not individualism in a team, and thats what this game is about, cooperating.Clanstacking may be the future of this game imo, because clan members know each other more better then other players and they know what to do in different situations regarding the battlefield.I am tierd to see selfish games where you are sweared when you tell somone "PLS STOP you are killing my units, PLS dont my singu will blow up, PUT licho on holdfire we will all explode".After they dont do nothing and still kill you and your team it comes the moment of kick, when he swears and talks "nicely" to all players even if it was his fault.So what kind of game you want me to play, selfish team game or cooperating team game?
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I'd be more impressed if I had reason to believe that your 11 game sample wasn't completely cherry picked.
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to tell the truth, from 3 to 5, i dont remember exact number, games was completely lost by clanstack. So in "best case" clanstack loose 5 games out of 15(10 "cherry picked" win games + 3 to 5 lost games) Anyway you can look it for yourself. At the top press play-replays, in "Player Involved" type saabir or forever(they are most active members of troll clan), choose "Age:today", and you will see almost all games with troll clan involved past 24 hours. Then click every game with middle mouse, and they will all open in new tab. Then look through all tabs and see who won
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You are calling MM a troll clan? And also, get a) more replays b) a BALANCED set of replays, not, as KR said, the best examples you could find to prove your point. @Lauri0 is right about the evening up of team balance, I have observed that over four months. Also, it would be awful if this happened because a) It would mean we had to do !cbalance and then !forcestart and b) people will have to play with a terrible, non cooperative team that sees a 7v7 as seven 1v1s. Team cooperation is what makes us work well, not some powerful troll magic.
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+1 to powerful troll magic, I WANT IT
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If you can't beat them, join them. Clan size limit should be lifted. :)
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>Team cooperation is what makes us work well, not some powerful troll magic. abusing elo system inertness is what makes you work well.
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