Teams room rearrangement trial

what about cluster f**k games? will i never see 16v16 again?

Only complaint I would have really is that the player limit reduction wasn't aggressive enough. Im not sure 20 is low enough to encourage multiple rooms (at least from a microeconomics standpoint) and I fear this may not bring true choice about. Although I'm far more optimistic if this gets combined with waitlists.

From a clan perspective we're trying some new infrastructure to make some games that don't take weeks of planning to form.

Edit: True choice here means having multiple viable options (eg: two open games with 3+ people in them)

quote: Thirdly, 16vs16 is the most popular and perhaps the only reason most pugs play this game for.

16v16 was the most popular because it was the quickest and easiest way to get a teamgame during the primetime hours.

so what are we supposed to post?

I'd prefer 16v16 sizes.

The current arrangement is not, repeat *not*, intended to be a competition between the clan-balance and individual-balance rooms to see which is more popular. Firepluk is quite right that the seeding problem would introduce a lot of skew in trying to draw those kind of conclusions.

The purpose is to see if we can arrange a state of affairs where both the people who prefer clan balance and the people who prefer individual balance get what they want some of the time, and when the number of available players permits it for both to get what they want at the same time. It is also a test to see whether two rooms will seed meaningfully more often when there are a set of people who really want to play with the ruleset of one room and not the other.

That does necessarily involve the people who really want to play 16v16 (as opposed to 10v10) not getting what they want at the same time... but those people have gotten what they want for a long time up until now, and I fully anticipate that no matter how this turns out there will still be at a minimum fairly regular opportunities to play 16v16 in the future.

I'd love the rooms to be limited to 8v8 or even smaller.

Perhaps we, who like properly optimised games should start actually avoiding all welcome and get them small teams filled up. Let's do it fellas

I have to wait 30 min in the lobby for a spot in a 10v10 room or play 5v5. Amazing experience.

quote: 16v16 was the most popular because it was the quickest and easiest way to get a teamgame during the primetime hours.

You are not totally wrong but you are also not totally right. In other words, you are only half right. Why? A few post down and you would see a simple "I'd prefer 16v16 sizes" with many upvotes, that speak for itself.

Your point, however, does tell us another perspective of different players. Realistically speaking, zerok isn't a massive populated game and for most time, it is damn difficult to even find people to play with, least say even get a cluster going. People are not machine, they are not gonna spend time which might end up hours waiting in another room hoping it will be filled. Reality is zerok is just not popular and is just one of hundred of thousands of games out there, on top of numerous sources of other entertainments. If people can't find a room to play then with a few clicks of a mouse, they disappear to other games or entertainment. I don't think such is beneficial to zerok which primary goals include enticing people to play in hope to grow the game's population. Well, unless zero-k does not want more people to play the game?

Shaman
And does your screenshots show a 2nd room that has people? Is weekend, don't we usually see a 32 cluster on weekend? What happened to the people? Where is that supposedly "overflow"? I reckon we should have 10 or so people somewhere.

I am not in favor of a trial that end up becoming a detriment to growth of zerok, as if zerok isn't tiny in population already.

Aquanim
As others (and I) have already pointed out, 10vs10 and 16vs16 have vastly different experience. To elaborate on that, one point is...generally speaking, as size become smaller, the influence of a individual (or clan) also grow bigger. With that say there is a lot of variables that can easily kill off a smaller room, well, not as if cluster didn't get killed off by some of these very variables. And...you got your first feedback regarding room size and it's impact.