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From the #zkdev chat today:

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[5:19 AM] Licho [TROLOLO]sfireman got repeated complaints about your raging at nubs. FFS cant you control yourself?
[5:20 AM] [TROLOLO]sfireman :( sometimes i cannot, but i'm trying... in some cases, yes, i point some guy that he is noob and doing wrong ^^ not always in correct form
[5:23 AM] [TROLOLO]sfireman IMO, i feel myself very bad when we are losing game due to AFKers + nabs which have failed and which dont want follow advices ^^
[5:23 AM] [TROLOLO]sfireman sorry
[5:39 AM] [TROLOLO]sfireman actually all this problems will be solved right after our community will grow and our online will be 100 or more in any time of day :) We need to code Kudos faster :)
[5:40 AM] [TROLOLO]sfireman So there will be multiple games 8v8 for exp players without total nabz :)
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This is a game for adults, not children. Grow the fuck up or get the fuck out.
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Hah CrazyEddie, so rude, so abusive :P
I'm not child, tbh i'm 22.
I came to this game to get something i miss in real life, like most of us.
I came for fun games, for talk and discuss. When i rage and become uncontrollable(yes it's bad i know it), there is reason for this.

Mostly i rage at noobs, i find its reasonable. Sure most of u dont agree with this.
But i really tired from:
1. AFKers ruining my games and not only mine, and feeding my behaviour
2. Teammates and enemy which is prohibit !voteexit of such games.
If there are some AFKers or droppers in team and game is not too far from begin, or if most of team dropped, limit of !y should be lower.
3. From bugs with 2nd commander when i dont get it from dropper right after game start and dont get extra metal, but highest elo enemy player does, becouse on start it's 4v5, when im on "5th" side
4. From nabs losing their front lines, which didnt bother about playing with bots/chickens or other before and started right from teams multiplayer. No limitations, which is silly. Such players can completly ruin game. Spoiled mood not only for me, but only i'm, silly, talk about it(yeah i cannot talk about it in calm dawn manner without some insults) and get bans and mutes.
5. Other shit when i see newb which COMPLETLY IGNORE advices, and continue ruin game and my expectations.

Also some of my "insults" dont really "insults", its just matter let off steam, like i can say
"silly nabs again fuck up game" or "f*ck you nabs" or smth else without really aim to insult somebody and harm him
It's like filthy language in some kind of agressive sports after "hard" situations, take for example football or basketball, they are always polite when enemy fuck them and his team is terribly failing?.
it's like "you fucked us, my team failed terribly and didnt support, but yeah i want to stay with mah team to lose again and again and again"

That is my opinion.
Also in my real life i use filthy language not always whem i'm rage, but as well in cases when i specially want to give my speech more expression.
What is unaccepted by Licho is not unaccepted by all. But yes, in this community with this smart "CoCk" its "law".
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Even adults get angry. Its seriously annoying to have a afk/nub on your team who doesnt listen to advices.

Really something that makes them do some AI games first would solve a ton of these problems. Total newbies shouldnt be playing the first game on multiplayer.
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+1 [DE]Rick. But any usefull restrictions are currently impossible due to small player base. So go and mute me, but community will not grow because of this silly action, we need to solve basic problems which are lead to rage, currently games are not healthy which is leads to topics like this.
But now yeah, sfireman is the biggest evil in the university of ZK, each insulted newb can confirm it.
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12 years ago
Insulting new players is an efficient way to make them leave.
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Skasi
If you really really get that mad at sfireman, just make it so you can ban him from the newbie rooms. Make it so he can only play in the new expert- or in private rooms, but please stop with all these rage threads. I don't think they are any good for the game.
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12 years ago
I can agree to most stuff sfireman said about what is annoying, its fairly reasonble to be annoyed from those things. There are 2 points tho that make your raging unreasonable:

Firstly, you rage so hard sometimes that i can hardly figure that it has any positive effect on people regarding changing their behaviour, most likely they will react opposintional because yelling at them actually makes them feel right, not wrong. So in the end, raging too much will actually give you more reason to rage in the future, and that is, if nothing else, unhealthy :) Its always tempting to be insulting when angry, but applying some active control would probably make even your own time easier.

And secondly, you do some of those things yourself, including doing things that you know are probably stupid and will likely not work. Like rushing a singu in a team that mostly has noobs and will loose (without your help on the front) before your singu is even finished. (while the other team may have advanced noobs who at least know how to build units and put on some pressure) Also you sometimes resign just after the game started when the team looks bad to you, how is that gonna work if everybody raged as hard as you do? People would be resigning and throwing insults at each other nonstop.

People who played a few games with you are aware of the fact that your insults are used inflational and are not to be taken 100% seriously. Still people might take offense, and if theyre totally new they might even leave as they think this community is unfriendly. You shouldnt contribute to such a perception.
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12 years ago
Yeah, Klon, i do some of this things myself, like singu rush, but elo dont allow meh do i want...
Sometimes i see so bad ballance, so i dont see chances more than some poor percents to win even if i will "push hard"
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Very clear example about nabs, their uselessness and my rage:
http://zero-k.info/Battles/Detail/90617
Watch replay and tell me that my rage was without reasons
Also current state of ZK leads to leaving of all players that know how 2 play our "pros" because there are nothing to play with., looks like i need to play 1v1 or 2v2 or play stupid chickens or CAI.
ZK is fucking dying, tons of noobs, that leave game after some days, and pros which go into game 1 time per month.
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12 years ago
I 100 % agree with Klon. I very rarely, like almost never, see you give "advise" to someone without including noob, retard or whatever insult. without at least 10 pings, or including words like "please", or "can you do..."

Leave the first things and include the last sfireman. It will work wonders.
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12 years ago
Well i didnt say your rage wasnt justified, because it mostly is justified - im just saying its pointless. Its a sad fact that noobs are bad, and its also a sad fact that people loose games sometimes because their teammates have no clue what to do or, even sadder, are in denial of their bad gaming. There isnt much you can do about it, except try to teach noobs, which is in my experience more effective if you dont rage at them.

So its either constant enragement or the hardships of enduring&teaching noobs and just accepting to loose now and then when its not your fault - on the long run, you probably have more fun the second way.

Regarding zk beeing dead, i dont know im just here for about 2 month but i see some of the same newbies here practically every day and many are ok players already. So whats bad about noobs coming in, if they are ok to play with after a few weeks or even days? Some of them will be real good at some point.
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12 years ago
Look at the posts in multiple threads here. The condescending style towards new players in this community is really a problem.

New players are the lifeblood for zk, not its detriment. The experienced players should keep this in mind. The elitistic attitudes of many pro players around here is petty and sad.

Sure, it is human to get upset. It is also civilized to manage your rage and restrain yourself from insulting others. Just thrive to be a better person than you are and you will discover a more meaningful existence. Also zk will win if the atmosphere was more friendly.
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12 years ago
A problem yes, but please don't start threads targeting specific individuals. Especially since the admins are clearly already aware of it.
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