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resurrection should have higher priority than reclamation

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And when resurrection process is stopped, reclamation (both auto and manual) should be blocked, for example, for 5 seconds.

It can be partial workaround while non-reclaim attribute is not implemented.
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Skasi
8 years ago
It already does, provided players use area-reclaim and not target-reclaim.
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But manual reclaim has higher priority than res. now. This should be removed.

And pause needed to save several wrecks with single athena.
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8 years ago
Why did you manually reclaim the wreck you're rezzing?
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8 years ago
One simple solution would be to force all given reclaim commands to have INTERNAL modifier. This is what sub-commands given by area-reclaim get, and what prevents them from reclaiming rezzed wrecks. No idea about side effects though.
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8 years ago
Do auto reclaim widgets count as manual commands? When I was going through my resurrection phase I cannot tell you how many times I had to spam people off my wrecks... If I invest 5k in athena you bet your ass I need that dante wreck! Instead it felt like I was just putting money in the pockets of allies as their workers incessantly returned to reclaiming my targets.
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8 years ago
Funny aside: the thread title could be interpreted as "responding to old threads is more important than making complaint threads."
Just my 2c.
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8 years ago
RUrankHuj would you like a widget that detects if a wreck is is queued for ressurection/area-ressurection and causes all of your reclaim units to ignore those wrecks targeted for ressurection? I can make that for you.
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First of all i hate when ally do reclaim of useful units wrecks, sometimes manual (direct pointing to wrecks, not area reclaim). So personal widget would not be a solution.

But thanks for intention to help.
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Manual reclaim is half the problem, because people know when they gave manual reclaim order, so you can tell them to stop.
What is more annoying is that some stupid widget not even enabled by default gives direct reclaim orders on the wreck you are in the middle of rezzing. It seems to happen only to Caretakers so my guess is that this annoying widget people are using is 'Smart' Nanos.
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We need wubget that tells cons to reclaim only debrises!!!
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8 years ago
Afaik there's some modifier which makes them do exactly that in Spring itself.
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I don't think so. I examined the modifiers some time ago and I don't think there was one for that, but feel free to prove me wrong.
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8 years ago
Isn't this hardcoded into the engine, like the repair/assist priority?
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OldGhostStalker, you are right.
"Cheap and cheerful", as translate.google says.

Relatively easy partial solution. But block of forced reclaim is needed to save wrecks being under resurrection, because from time to time such intentional reclamation is done (i remember only giuseppe, but few others do such shit... may be they are unhappy in real life).
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8 years ago
Being able to block your allies from reclaiming a wreck by any means sounds like it has high griefing potential. I would prefer such a thing not to exist.

Besides that, I have seen somebody trying to reclaim a wreck when they shouldn't far less often than I hae seen somebody trying to rez a wreck when they shouldn't.
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The problem is the reclaim case is more damaging whether it happens more or less often.

If someone rezzes the wreck he shouldn't then what? One wreck is blocked, but there is always plenty of other wrecks to reclaim. And if there is really just one single wreck to be reclaimed, it is also very likely it is worth to rez it.

Now if someone reclaims the wreck someone else is rezzing then this is what happens: he directly drains his teammate metal income, because rezzers try to refill the wreck that is reclaimed. It is exactly the same as if one reclaimed a nanoframe the other is building.
Now if the wreck is completely reclaimed the teammate also loses all his energy and time investment he put into the rezzing process. So many times I had something 90% rezzed then a "friendly" con comes and starts reclaim because why not.

Rezzing is hugely beneficial over reclaim, it gives the full unit instead of just 40% of its value in metal. If someone already made the investment in rezzing units, and the wreck is not about to get into enemy hands, then in almost all cases it is for the benefit of the TEAM to let the rezz continue undisturbed.
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Thanks, Rafal, for explaining "by fingers" this almost elementary thing. I am always surprised why reclaimers don't understand it. Or they understand but demonstrate their attitude to team (and probably to team games as a class).

Also i am always surprised when players place buildings chaotically, especially inside of limited space. 1-cell spaces between buildings kill consciousness. Just making obstacles to themselves.
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If someone already made the investment in rezzing units, and the wreck is not about to get into enemy hands, then in almost all cases it is for the benefit of the TEAM to let the rezz continue undisturbed.

I think this accounts for more than half the times that I have seen somebody attempt to rez... and the majority of the times I have seen somebody get flamed for reclaiming the wreck.

I am fundamentally disinterested in some fool being able to say "no, you can't reclaim the wreck of my trollcom that I did something idiotic with, because I want to bring it to 5% rez before the enemy takes this ground".

If somebody makes an investment in Athenas or rezcom, and they want to resurrect stuff safely, then that's fine by me. Go ahead. Introducing the capability to have such a player secure their rezzing is in no way worth giving the aforementioned fool the ability to throw the game.

The possibility that a griefer could make his own team unable to reclaim any wrecks for the lulz is merely the icing on the this-is-a-bad-idea cake.
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8 years ago
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The possibility that a griefer could make his own team unable to reclaim any wrecks for the lulz is merely the icing on the this-is-a-bad-idea cake.

Any griefer can already do this much more efficiently with puppies...
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