should skuttles 1 hit kill a fully morphed com?

Im saying all the time they need more HP

It should 1 hit some coms. If you make artycom or ranged support comm I don't see why it should have exceptional health.

I don't want to go around nerfing anti-heavy units for the sake of the comm and I don't want to buff the comm to 1 man army levels. Comms could be a bit cheaper and the system is in place to fiddle with it without a new release but it is dangerous to do for balance. I don't want the commander to start dictating the game and require morphing every game.

As for skuttle it is hard to use and easy to spot for. It is to stop people building a single big thing and just charging it in. To make them support their large units. But that role would not be changed much if it lost a bit of damage so that could happen.

Very true, Context. I'll have to second the notion of more powerful commander units. While a Level 1 Commander is free and thus not as sturdy, a fully upgraded commander unit should be buffed and have enough health to stand up against units.

for the cost comm upgrades dont really pay. Since you can only have one comm. You would think that your comm should have a better cost benefit ratio then normal units

Comm is also taken out of battle when morphing

There's not many true RTS games out there, I think ZK should stop turning into an RPG and instead start to keep up the desire for a true RTS.

I repeat myself: Commanders should be commanders. No experimental weapon platforms; no porc-busters; none of the current existant unit roles.

It should be a unique unit with the ability to turn the tide of battle with other means than sheer hp, firepower, speed or range. There already are several high hp, high firtepower, long range units, units with shields, units that jam, units all kinds of weapons and so on. I really don't see a reason to add another such unit only for the sake of being a players avatar.

Instead let a commander be the very unit that represents the game and the player. Zero-K's scale and awesomeness and the player's style and choices.


Nerfing Skuttles, which - like nearly all cloaked units - can be guarded against very easy, will result in turning the unit useless. Simple as that.
The argument that 5'000 metal units should not be countered by 550 metal units which require insane micro, while they in return can be countered by 100 metal in units with less than half the required micro is REDUNDANT!

Harvey, you hardly ever need more than one shield. To counter skuttles spam dirtbag, fleas, or anything cheap and have them patrol in front of important/expensive units.
Just cause you don't know how to counter something doesn't mean it's not easy.

Commanders should definitely go out with a bang.

skasi do you always have a flea/dirtbox spam going on? no? then how in hell do you propose i stop the first skuttle the enemy makes from taking out a unit i spent nearly 3k on?

The only time I find a skuttle annoying is near start the enemy has missile turrets up so I can't patrol in front. I am just getting a HLT up when bam a skuttle jumps into my commander killing him and HLT. I have had this a few times. The key is in the jump. If skuttle misses and comm moves well then all you lost is HLT.

But in general I agree with lucky luckywaldo7.