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Map: Izki Channel v1.0
 Izki Channel v1.0
Title: MM 869: 1v1, Rank Neutron Star
Host: Nobody
Game version: Zero-K v1.8.4.5
Engine version: 104.0.1-1486-gf266c81
Battle ID: 885552
Started: 4 years ago
Duration: 10 minutes
Players: 2
Bots: False
Mission: False
Rating: Competitive
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Team 1 Lost
Chance of victory: 76.8%
XP gained: 101
GBrankdyth68 died in 10 minutes
Team 2 Won!
Chance of victory: 23.2%
XP gained: 228
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GBrankdyth68
4 years ago
I don't quite understand this game.

How does one play Hover vs Corsairs? Scalpels, Bolas, Daggers, Mace, Claymore. All die (though I've only tested some of these in sandbox).
+0 / -0


FIrankterve886
4 years ago
My first guess would be saying that Mace and Scalpel should be able to beat corsairs, but then again, corsairs are 240 metal 81 speed and need 3 scalpel salvos to die so there is chance for corsairs to chase down Scalpel while it is reloading.

Same applies to Mace as Corsair is 20 speed faster, enclosing the 15 elmo range difference quite quickly while also having much more DPS and health for cost + some AoE to boot.
+1 / -0

UArankdahn
4 years ago
DErankChanServ just got ultimate army ratio. Critical mass won.
+0 / -0
BYrankInde_Irae
4 years ago
(edited 4 years ago)
haha, ship goes pew
[Spoiler]
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GBrankdyth68
4 years ago
FIrankterve886 : Yeah, I tested Scalpels, they mostly die as Corsair closes the range gap before Scalpels get the hits in. This is true both 1v1 and en masse (the latter because Scalpels at the front of a blob won't be in range as long).
With perfect micro (you start your scalpels moving away well before the Corsairs come in to range) mass scalpel can beat mass Corsair. Unless the Corsair player micros too. Then it's back to Corsair winning.

DErankChanServ : Really? My tests have the hovercraft getting massacred with Bola+Halberd. Even if I give Hover a larger mass army.
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EErankAdminAnarchid
4 years ago
Given that corsair is an assault riot raider, i have trouble decoding what is supposed to type counter it.

Seawolf and Duck work for obvious reasons, but Hover has no similar option.
+5 / -0


FIrankterve886
4 years ago
Yes, corsair is designed around being countered by underwater stuff, which Hover lacks.
+2 / -0
BYrankInde_Irae
4 years ago
Not Bolas-Halb, Bolas and Halb in some other combos (Mace-Halb, Bolas-Dagger, etc). Its not good tho, not even closely, but at least it manages to do *some* damage, if at all. The only viable solution atm seems mass-Bolas with a Dagger or two, preying on a very small window in cost and micro, and it still requires your opponent to be brain dead.

Need to see more live games, but just from theory it seems that hover vs ship is either ending in early game, or ship can just go mass Corsair, since why the hell not.
+0 / -0

UArankdahn
4 years ago
(edited 4 years ago)
quote:
Given that corsair is an assault riot raider, i have trouble decoding what is supposed to type counter it.


Funnily, that even the description says "Raider/Riot" . There should not be a unit with both roles at the same time. It's strange
+0 / -0
GBrankddaboqepp
4 years ago
(edited 4 years ago)
i have had success with lance/dagger vs sea

but you first need to get a lance...

hovers can destroy sea easily later in the game, but early on there are issues

mace/dagger may be able to just press through and do a lab kill early game if you go all in rush
+0 / -0


FIrankterve886
4 years ago
I say Corvette is either too fast or has too much health. Dropping its health to the point where scalpel can two shot it would be a good start at least.
+0 / -0


GBrankdyth68
4 years ago
GBrankddaboqepp
Mace+Dagger? That's a massacre.
I can't figure out how that is supposed to work even in theory.
Corsairs wreck Mace and Daggers, the combination of them works no better.

FIrankterve886 : That should help a lot. Only a 40hp health drop too.
+0 / -0


AUrankAdminGoogleFrog
4 years ago
Ships are meant to be amazing on open sea against other factories. Corsair is only barely so.
+1 / -0


EErankAdminAnarchid
4 years ago
(edited 4 years ago)
Singlehandedly erasing hovers sounds quite amazing tbh.

But i guess that means that maps that pit hovers vs ships should give hovers some terrain to use.
+1 / -0


GBrankdyth68
4 years ago
AUrankAdminGoogleFrog : Are you saying that it is intended that Corsair have no counter in hoverfac?
And that you don't think it a good idea to make Scalpel a soft-counter by reducing Corsair hp by 40 so it can be 2 hit by Scalpels?
+1 / -0
BYrankInde_Irae
4 years ago
With Izki being rotated for Aurelian Corsair will take a back sit anyway (imo it favors hover and Dagger specifically, also still in a lazy way). Now, is it a good thing or not...
+0 / -0

AUrankAdminAquanim
4 years ago
Aurelian isn't actually entering the 1v1 matchmaking pool. It just never left the teams pool, since Izki doesn't seem big enough for teams. There isn't a dedicated sea map in the current 1v1 rotation.
+0 / -0
BYrankInde_Irae
4 years ago
Shame, i kinda like it.
+0 / -0

AUrankAdminAquanim
4 years ago
I expect both Aurelian and Izki will be seen again in 1v1 at some point in the future, but it seemed like as good a time as any for a bit of a break on behalf of the people who don't like sea in general.
+0 / -0


AUrankAdminGoogleFrog
4 years ago
I'm not so sure that Corsair has no counter in hover fac. If it doesn't, then it is a near thing.
+0 / -0
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