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New Zealand parliament passes law to include homosexual couples to definition of marriage

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11 years ago


what a reaction!

freedom and democracy!
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11 years ago
Huzzah!

also Youtube comments were slightly less depressing than I feared >_<
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11 years ago
Youtube comments seem to attract the absolute worst of humanity.
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11 years ago
Meanwhile in France...

The government is trying to pass a law with roughly the same idea, but so stupid that there are even LGBT associations against it.
It generated a massive protest movement against it, who is primarily asking for public debates instead of passing the law on fifth wheel (though some are simply against homosexual marriage, most just want those public debates).
The government decided that listening to those who elected them is a bad idea, and is accelerating the process even more.
Giant street protestations ensures.
The government, of course, try to hinder them as much as possible. For example, the biggest avenues are forbidden to them as late as possible, sometimes to let protestations for the law take place instead - with around a thousand time less people.
During the last one, while surprisingly non-violent (about a few hundreds people tried to force one police barrage), police forces threw tear gas to people (with children) without provocation. A baby had to spend 30 min under mechanical ventilation.
The official Police numbers are about 350k people, the organizers' about 1.4M, and the DCRI estimation (French equivalent to the FBI - if anyone has the real numbers, it's them) is about 1.7M. It's possibly the biggest street protest in France since the last two Republics. It's also possibly the first protesters to underestimate their own numbers.
The government don't even want to hear about it. The Préfécture de Police publish crudely faked images of the protests (blurred, full of artefacts, trees with the wrong foliage, missing zebra crossings). A minister talked about 'a handful of protesters'.

Let's remember, it's the same government who mass-amnestied violent syndicalist protests (with propriety damage and injured cops) just a while ago.
It's also the same government who let a bank robber escape by blowing 4 doors up with dynamite, because they decided it was a good idea to not body-search prisoners in this high-security prison.

A few days later, about a hundred protesters, who assembled before the parlimant, were arrested before having even time to begin protesting. The cops themselves were taken aback by the orders, as public protesters are quite common there. In fact, France has a tradition to be very tolerant with public protesters.
There were even more taken aback when those people were charged for illegal protests (they risk a hefty fine and one year of prison). This kind of never happens.
And many, many things in the same vein.

It's to the point that even a bisexual who don't care the least for marriage like myself is talking about the worst denial of democracy this country has known for the last decades.
It is particularly surprising as French forces are currently engaged and fighting for Mali's democracy, to the point that people out there are asking them to stay longer.
Go figure.

And everyone is losing at this game :
The LGBT that would want to marry, because this law is so stupid it's menacing the credibility of the idea itself.
The LGBT in general, as violent groups starts to feed on the general exasperation, and violence against LGBT is rising.
The government's majority, as this is organizing and developing a solid opposition.
The opposition, as the extremist groups are growing.
The citizens, as their own government is showing them that they don't car about democracy at all. And as the million other problems (economic crisis, runaway public debt, awful justice system, failing public services and education...) don't get the attention and efforts they deserve. And, again, it is making extremist groups grow on both sides.

I wish I was exaggerating. But if anything, I'm not even pointing out all the stupid things this government is doing on that matter.
The worst part is that they probably aren't against democracy itself, or wanting to take full powers dictatorship-style, or anything like that. They seem to do that out of sheer incompetence.
It's hard to express how depressing this thought is.
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11 years ago
FRrankThornEel: Here I thought the situation down south (i.e. in the US) was getting totalitarian, but it sounds like stuff is worse for you.

We have some similar issues with the Prime Minister trying to force some bills and treaties through without proper debate, but we are lucky in that these things tend to get caught and exposed, and when they are the Prime Minister tends to back down.
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politicians, nuke the lot of them.

for evry good politician, theres 100 usless ones, and the good one usualy gets asasinated...

we should run a technocracy!
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...and the good one usualy gets asasinated...

Then the solution is obvious: Necrocracy.
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11 years ago
i did say we should resort to technocracy...

in a technocracy rezurecting JFK for !!SCIENCE!! is perfectly legal and actively encouraged :D
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11 years ago
The government is oppressive in the USA. Currently they will not let me marry my three bisexual girl friends.

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Well, move to Japan, i think them let one guy marry a 2D Girl from some Nintendo DS game and another dude did marry his PlayStation...

The Dictator (film) did teach me you can marry your Goat in Middle East too.




But more serious now, if LGBT couple go there to marry, them go back to their home country, will that marriage still be valid?
What about polygamous marriage from Middle East are them validly in monogamous countries?


P.S.:
Posthumous marriage (marriage in which one of the participating members is deceased) is legal in France. Not in France, but what you think, love history or creepy?
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11 years ago
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The government is oppressive in the USA. Currently they will not let me marry my three bisexual girl friends.


why would you want to get married though? ive never really understood the reasoning behind marige in the first place...
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11 years ago
There are certain benefits related to taxes and so forth.
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Not just taxes also parental / adoption rights.

Especially in the case of bisexual plural marriage.

Right now these people are called swingers and are mostly still in the closet just saying.

Think about all the movies that could end differently if we had plural marriage.
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I dont care if they get marred and what they do, but leave children alone, absolute NO to children adoption, unless they somehow make it in natural way.

Imagine yourself 10 years old in the school and there is task describe your Mother or Father I already imagine reaction of other children basically this thing alone would ruin your childhood.
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lol no it wont XD

children for the most part never realy gave a shit about what your parents are like...

also its not that hard to explain "i has 2 motheres, and they is both awsomesocks, durrr" see simples

then again my family is just as weird, or weirder, so i guess practice makes perfect
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11 years ago
Wolas I was raised almost entirely by my mother alone. Yeah I saw my dad every week but he did next to nothing to actually raise me.

My situation would have been no different to having 2 mothers. My grandad taught me how to shave and all the other manly things this would be no different to a 2mothers upbringing or the reverse for a 2fathers upbrining.

tl;dr if single parenting works fine so can homosexual parenting
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I do not share this view. I think that saying that your parents are legally two women or two men, whereas in the reality one of your biological parent is either a man or a women is ridiculous and amoral.

Allowing children to have two mothers or two fathers is just non-sensical and contrary to the reality. A single mother or father can explain that the other one left or died. What will the two mothers or fathers tell the children? That one of them replaces the biological parent but with the opposite sex?

A child with a single mother or father may lack some input from the other side. In a setup with homosexual parents, they will still probably lack it, but officially, their parents are supposed to be perfectly able to raise him and so may refuse any input from the other side the child may get everywhere.

And last point: what if children raised by homosexual are more likely to become homosexuals themselves? Do children have the right not to be influenced in their sexual orientation?

To [GBC]Harvey: if the two mothers have children, then their children will not have any granddad. They will only have grandmothers. So granddad won't be able to make up for the missing dad. And if two women marry, who had themselves only mothers, the children will have 4 grandmothers, but no granddad. What do you think about it?
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11 years ago
Homosexual parenting already happen even if the person adopted saying it was single, but in truth live with a homosexual partner.

Did not one ever gather that data to know what happened to that children to make some statics or something?
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11 years ago
It does not matter who concieved the child (btw 25% of men in europe are not the real biological fathers according to genetic survey ;-)

Child needs loving parents, she/he needs love and bonding and it does not matter if its parents, grandparents or completely unrelated people as long as they love her/him. If there are two or more parents, it is only beneficial to the kid, because they can provide better material background and spend more time with the child.

Statistics show that people raised by only one parent are disadvantaged and more frequently suffer from various problems. People raised by more parents (does not matter if they are homosexual or not) do better. We have no right to deny legal benefits of heterosexual partners to homosexual partners when they exist too and form as strong bonds. And we have no right to deny loving parents to many kids in the world that would be raised by institution or disfunctional families otherwise.

Ant btw., there is no association between sexual preference of people raising the child and child's. Homosexuality is commonly associated with elevated testosterone levels during pregnancy and probably cannot be changed much by culture.
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And last point: what if children raised by homosexual are more likely to become homosexuals themselves? Do children have the right not to be influenced in their sexual orientation?


actualy acording to reaserch, homosexual parents have no effect on their childrens sexuality

too lazy to look for the citations, go google it...
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